Science Abuse

stats: The roads are easy, the BTS logs it all for us: 2005 Registered vehicles: 243,023,486 crashes: 4,746,307 That's 1 in 51 vehicles being involved in an accident in 2005. Keep in mind, this is vehicles registered. Many of us own multiple vehicles, so that would further skew the numbers in my favor. Climbing accidents aren't logged nationally, just by state (or by park in some cases). Even worse, we have no idea how many people have signed climbers logs in 2005, it's not possible to tabulate. So, we'll focus on one high profile, very demanding, and saught after peak. Longs Peak. I pick longs because it's the crown jewel of one of the oldest national parks in the country. It adorns Colorados quarter, and there's even a portrait of it in OSUs Geology library. This mountain is not a walk-up, it requires climbing. It's VERY popular, and see's experienced mountaineers and total morons alike (I was once stopped on descent by a n old guy sitting on a rock who asked "excuse me, are you a doctor? My pulse won't go down" I advised him to rest then descend.) At 14,225ft, it is highly underestimated. Estimated climbers per year: 15,000-16,000 (some tools don't sign in). Accidents in 2005: 2 (Neither fatal, one requiring extraction) So that's 1 in 7500 Since you're not savvy, I'm sure you doubt my mountain choice, but trust me, with this peak I'm SERIOUSLY giving you the benefit of the doubt. You won't find a greater concentration of people who have no buisness mountaineering on a mountain. A national statistic damn sure wouldn't be one in fifty.

I'm talking about everyone who puts themselves in harms way; above the treeline. By your own logic, that's EVERYBODY who goes that high. Climbers, hikers, skiers, 11,000ft is nothing. I've driven to 12,500, while there I was subject to all manner of danger, most common of which was lightning strike. The same storm could happen in Breckenridge and a few dozen people could be scattered about. A guy and his kid once spent 9 days huddled in a cave before they were found. He knew there could have been a storm and white-out conditions, but went skiing anyway everyone else found the lifts, he got lost. Did they not deserve rescue? You're saying that no one who knowingly puts themselves in harms way deserves rescue services, that's pretty much everybody. I'm working on the numbers

Their "guide" is only a logistics tit, he stays in his tent and makes millions while his sherpas and hired guides do the work. Advertised "20 years experience on everest, countless summits, and he's never lost a client" Truth: He's been there since 98 and lost 2 clients and some sherpas. He's no longer allowed to guid in his own country because he suscks so bad. He's summited everest once with his guides/sherpas. He has a monopoly on the north col supply loop and makes millions of dollars a year. He is not respected. I wonder if they'll show the guys passing David Sharp and leaving him to die alone.

Please dont, there was no lapse of judgement. Compare the number of people driving to the number of people who've gotten in accidents, and you'll find that the ratio of total climbers vs those who have needed rescued is vastly better. Compare that to winter ascents and you'll find the numbers more greatly skewed. In the summer you get the punters, ametures and novices who have no buisness being in the hills. They don't know, so they pick nice weather and they get fucked. The punters leave the winter the hell alone. Call any SAR group and they'll tell you that they respond to many many fewer accidents-per-capita in the winter then in the summer. People dont try it unless they're prepared, and these 3 guys were very well prepared. Cooke is a member of a message board that I'm on, those guys had experience in much harsher environments then Hood. The reason that climbers have less trouble than drivers is simple, they don't take it lightly. Just read the list that the 3 guys left with the rangers before they went up. They were prepared and they notified the proper people before hand, they did everything right, they just hit bad weather. Your average driver thinks nothing of hitting the roads. They get in their car and they go, talking on their phones and eating their burgers, changing lanes without looking, signaling, or caring. Idiot drivers who have no buisness behind the wheel and no respect for the road are everywhere, idiot climbers are scarce because they end up dead or are scared straight. Let's hit a bit closer to home, the non average driver, the ones who drive old dodges way to fast and total the shit out of them. They know the risk, AND they risk the lives of those around them. By your reasoning they are not entitled to costly emergency care. Skiers are inthe same environment and subject to the same freak storms, do they not deserve rescue? He'd die from the blood parasites he's bound to get from allt he raw fish and meat he's eaten. The guy is fun to wath, but for gods sake don't do anything he does. His glacial arrest rope is garaunteed to fail.

I swear to fucking god I wish no camera had ever been pointed at a fucking mountain. I wish no movies had been made and no news had ever covered the sport. I'm sick and tired of ignorant fucks comenting on something that they could never possibly understand from their heated high-rise studios. The amount of bullshit that has been spouted about the 3 men and their ordeal on Mount hood is monumental. "There seems to be a Y made out of rope to signal yes, were' here" Is so stupid I think I lost fucking brain cells. It s arope anchor you fucks, don't comment on what you know nothing about. "we shouldn't have to pay so much to save people who risk their lives" These men were more prepared for this climb then you have ever been prepared for anything in your life, you nancyboy tit. They had over half a century of experience between them and planned it for months. Millions of people climb mountains every year without incedent, you're invinting a greater chance for tragedy by getting in your car and driving to work. When some one nails you, I say fuck off, the cops shouldn't waste gas responding to your accident, you knew the risk when you hit the roads. If you want hospita treatment, crawl your ass there yourself. Ambulances shouldn't be wasted on some one who knew that fatal accidents happen daily on the roads, and drove anyway. "I don't understand why why risk all this to stand on top". Stop watching movies and get the fuck out side. You think because you watched Vertical Limit that you know jack shit about why people climb mountains? You think it's the veiw? Hubris? God Coplex? Penis envy? You need kicked in the face with a double boot. It's impossible for anyone who hasn't done it to possibly understand it. It's about the climb, not the top, and certainly not the shitty view. I'm sick of people who've never risked a god damn thing, or those who've only risked possions for possesions, commenting on the worth of climbing a mountain. I want the news to go away and I want ignorant people to stop talking about it. Leave the fucking sport alone. Don't make any more movies or TV shows, producers and directors have never been able to convey anything close to the real emotion of a climb, and they never will. It's not about getting your fucking picture taken or bragging to your freinds.

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I'm a father, and I'm rather protective. I also have an understanding of the "Highways" in Johnstown. If I'm not mistaken, the kids got to get to Oregon Street, and the roads he's got to cross are 37 and 62. Both have many lighted intersections, and during peak hours both are jammed up to the point that no one's moving, during off hours the traffic is fairly sparse and doing about 35 mph. So, depending on the age of the kid, teach them how to cross a bloody road. This is something i could do at age 8 and I lived in Suburbia. I knew because I was taught. You say todays kids are weak? The faults of children are the faults of the parents.

How bout you give me his contact info and I''l go check it out for ya.

How about Keith posts his kids age and they're rout to school. If he's talking about crossing 36 in the town of Johnstown, lock the thread.

ORLY? Click the image I posted lol

Less then a month away: http://www.goriup.com/goriup/potopisi/dakar_04/slike/glava%20dakar.jpg

I walked four miles bitch, across a highway, and still beat the bus home, BIOCH! Petition your school for a crossing guard station or walk/drive your kid to school.

Fuckin hell, whay can't they just keep it "Falcon"? Of all fucking things, why not call it something OTHER then mustang. Ford hates the mustang, trues story. In the late 80s, the probe platform was almost called "the new Mustang".

Classic christian hypocrasy right thar'. Or maybe he means killing for fun is ok, just not for god.

More sad news. If you're blue and you don't know where to go to why don't you go where fashion sits.... PUUNNONNRUUUAAAHHHHH!!! http://www.dvdbeaver.com/FILM/DVDCompare8/youngfrankenstein/7.jpg Dude was hilarious.

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Minivans are for poofs, I've got a conversion van! I'm hooked on Benz's, I'll be after a W123 or W126 after this. Scott...what year? I'm a'scared of post-93/94 shitpile benz's.

More then just a look: Google results: History 1,179,000,000 spent developing the chassis, in 1983! Breaks 3 world records and 9 International records

You guys all know what a 16v is, so that saves me a paragraph. Considering what these are starting to go for, this is a steal, buy it before I change my mind. I've put 9000 miles on this car in the year and a half that I've owned it, and every one has been a joy. It's just too small for family living, and gives me too much driving confidence to haul my child around in it it. Being a former One Lap of America racer (2005, #77), it's a blast to drive, but not to put the kids in. 1986 Mercedes Benz 190E 2.3 16v 5spd; $6,000 Now, for this specific car: Miles: 240k (Engine rebuilt 89K ago) Recent maintenance: PRior to the One Lap, MB Classic of Cincinatti (sponsor) went through the car replacing anything that gave the slightest inclination of being a possible problem. They spent far more on reliability then anything else. In the time I've owned it, all it has needed was an alternator and a charcoal cannister. *Bosch Alternator *New Behr Radiator *Front calipers *rear caliper rebuild *All metal brake lines replaced *All brake flex hoses replaced *New O2 sensor *New spark plugs, distributor cap, rotor, and wires *New water pump and thermostat *new water hoses *Valve adjustment and new valve cover gasket *New serpentine belt *New belt tensioner *New K&N Air filter *Coolant temp sensors replaced *New Shift knob and boot *New shift tower bushings *New battery and tray *New hood, hood pad, and left-front quarter panel *New paint over 40% of the car Modifications: *17” 5 spoke AMG rims with new tires *ATE Power Disc rotors in front. *Zimmermann cross drilled rotors in rear *Textar pads front and rear *H&R Springs front and rear *Bilstein Sport shocks front and rear *De-catalyzed exhaust *Alpine CD Deck w/iPod cable *Sachs sport clutch *AMG regrind Cams Why it’s a $6,000 car: *The One Lap decals have damaged the clear coat in a number of places, and there is some “cone rash”. *There is some rust under the car, and a few coin-sized bubbles under the paint. *The dash is cracked, and the wood trim is tired *Drivers rear window does not work. *Odometer stopped working approx 1000 miles ago. *Differential Cover has a crack and drips fluid, must refill occasionally. The LSD clutches need replaced, also. A diff-rebuild would be a sound investment. Extras: *One Lap Dash Plaque *Soft and shiney flawless dash (not installed) *Complete 20 year vehicle history The car is a joy to drive as-is. I’ve gotten more compliments and conversations from passers-by then with any other car I’ve owned. I must humbly confess that it is faster around a road course then my previous lapping-day car with 100hp more. It has ticked away 1:13s at Beaverun where I'd previously bested 1:25. It cost $42,000 new in 1986, thats $72,000 adjusted for inflation, 6 grand is a hell of a deal! Also consider, being an 86, it's going to begin apriciating. If you hold onto it, you stand a great chance of making money, hell it's garaunteed. http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9526/ad1vw1.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7959/ad2pm5.jpg Open to trades, looking for pre-93 Benz SELs and TEs (or diesels)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3963/closetee6.jpg doesn't touch the walls. Basically two "ladders" on either end with 2x4s connecting it. the shelves are good to hold my weight and a lot more, and doesn't mar up the walls. You can build to fit your machines and hang whatever you want from it.

I know warm Outdoor Source FTW. I'm pretty sure he's in a hard side, but not positive. I know he's on his feet along, and the slav'winters are pretty rough, thus the sock idea. His wife will be brokering this, doubt she'll be keen on sending porn.

..in Kosovo. Apart from the family mementos, what's a good thing for'm to have? I've heard that simple and practical things are sought after, good socks et al. tips?

3-liter V12, 185mph. People made big power back then, just not in so compact a package. I've got a nice painting of that car leading an 8CTF (420bhp 3.0 twin-blown) in my living room, love those things. Bonus points if you can tell us who drove it in the Belgrade Grand Prix, and what day it was. (you have all the info you need). pics: http://www.lotuscarclub.org/Tour2002/Photos/images/Auto_Union_engine_jpg.jpg http://www.forix.com/8w/sokol/typd_rear.jpg http://www.simonlewis.com/oscart/images/Auto-Union-4-Nuvolari-at-McLareans-b.jpg

Tragic and dumb all at once. There's no reason the family had to go through that for 9 bloody days. If this happens to you: Day one: We're straded, I'm going for help. Not day 6 or 7, day frikin one. Also, these people were on an extended trip, meaning they had packed clothes in the car. Put them on before you leave, don't hike out in street clothes when its zero out. Never leave the fucking road. I dont care what your map says or how bad assed you think you are, don't leave the road. Most importantly, dont watch Survivorman or Beyr Grylls for anything other then entertainment, they'll get you killed.

THAT is a woman.