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No problem. My post was mostly for those who didn't understand the minimal affect of marijuana on driving and those concerned with legalization leading to more driving accidents. I was not trying to "okay" driving under the influence of anything. "However, what is apparent is that marijuana's slight impairment on psychomotor skills generally falls within the range of safety Americans accept for prescription medications and other legal, potentially debilitating factors such as fatigue or cell phones. As such, the question of marijuana and driving should remain a public policy concern for drug law reformers, but not a serious political obstacle to marijuana-law reform." By Paul Armentano NORML Director of Publications and Research Not even the pro marijuana groups condone driving under the influence of anything and most even support saliva testing and the like.

Idiots. lol Imagine if that would've been a car with actual power. Probably would've flew off the side and smashed that guy and his equipment.

I don't think I could blow $25 on a lottery ticket.

What the hell is the point of hitting the car, the stolen car that someone else owns, with your nightstick as they pull away?

There is a chance you may've missed the point in the first vid. Did you watch the whole thing? If you missed the last 4-5sec, you missed the vid. And the rims on that 350 are rigoddamndiculous.

Ha. That was pretty funny. You have to watch the whole thing until at least the 41sec mark.

Just in case. Links and References 1983 National Highway Transportation Safety Administration study: Stein, AC et al., A Simulator Study of the Combined Effects of Alcohol and Marijuana on Driving Behavior-Phase II, Washington DC: Department of Transportation (1983) http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth12.shtml 1992 National Highway Transportation Safety Administration study: The Incidence and Role of Drugs in Fatally Injured Drivers, by K.W. Terhune, et al. of the Calspan Corp. Accident Research Group in Buffalo, NY (Report # DOT-HS-808-065) http://www.drugsense.org/tfy/nhtsa1.htm 1993 National Highway Transportation Safety Administration study: Marijuana and actual Driving Performance, By Hindrik WJ Robbe and James F O'Hanlon. Institute for Human Psychopharmacology, University of Limburg http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving4.shtml 1998 University of Adelaide and Transport South Australia study: http://www.ukcia.org/research/driving4.html 1999 University of Toronto Study, Marijuana Not a Factor in Driving Accidents: newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bin/19990329a.asp 2000 UK Transport Research Laboratory study on Cannabis and Driving: http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v00/n1161/a02.html 2000 UK Department of Transportation's Cannabis and Driving report: http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_rdsafety/documents/page/dft_rdsafety_504567.hcsp 2002 Report of the Special Senate Committee on Illegal Drugs http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/ille-e/rep-e/repfinalvol1part4-e.htm July 2004, Journal of Accident Analysis and Prevention, Psychoactive substance use and the risk of motor vehicle accidents. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15094417 For a less scientific and more amusing study of the combination of drugs and driving, go here: http://www.techno.de/mixmag/interviews/Driving_on_drugs.html

Forgive me as this is going to be a bit long. Sorry if any of my links are off. There was alot to do. A 1983 study by the US National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) concluded that the only significant affect of cannabis use was slower driving - arguably a positive effect of driving high. A comprehensive 1992 NHTSA study revealed that pot is rarely involved in driving accidents, except when combined with alcohol. The study concluded that "the THC-only drivers had an [accident] responsibility rate below that of the drug free drivers." This study was buried for six years and not released until 1998. A 1993 NHTSA study dosed Dutch drivers with THC and tested them on real Dutch roads. It concluded that THC caused no impairment except for a slight deficiency in the driver's ability to "maintain a steady lateral position on the road." This means that the THC-dosed drivers had a little trouble staying smack in the center of their lanes, but showed no other problems. The study noted that the effects of even high doses of THC were far less than that of alcohol or many prescription drugs. The study concluded that "THC's adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small." A massive 1998 study by the University of Adelaide and Transport South Australia examined blood samples from drivers involved in 2,500 accidents. It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without. Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident responsibility rate. The report concluded, "there was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents." In Canada, a 1999 University of Toronto meta-analysis of studies into pot and driving showed that drivers who consumed a moderate amount of pot typically refrained from passing cars and drove at a more consistent speed. The analysis also confirmed that marijuana taken alone does not increase a driver's risk of causing an accident. A major study done by the UK Transport Research Laboratory in 2000 found that drivers under the influence of cannabis were more cautious and less likely to drive dangerously. The study examined the effects of marijuana use on drivers through four weeks of tests on driving simulators. The study was commissioned specifically to show that marijuana was impairing, and the british government was embarrassed with the study's conclusion that "marijuana users drive more safely under the influence of cannabis." According to the Cannabis and Driving report, a comprehensive literature review published in 2000 by the UK Department of Transportation, "the majority of evidence suggests that cannabis use may result in a lower risk of [accident] culpability." The Canadian Senate issued a major report into all aspects of marijuana in 2002. Their chapter on Driving under the influence of cannabis concludes that "Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving." The most recent study into drugs and driving was published in the July 2004 Journal of Accident Analysis and Prevention. Researchers at the Dutch Institute for Road Safety Research analyzed blood tests from those in traffic accidents, and found that even people with blood alcohol between 0.5% and 0.8% (below the legal limit) had a five-fold increase in the risk of serious accident. Drivers above the legal alcohol limit were 15 times more likely to have a collision. Drugs like Valium and Rohypnol produced results similar to alcohol, while cocaine and opiates showed only a small but "not statistically significant" increase in accident risk. As for the marijuana-only users? They showed absolutely no increased risk of accidents at all.

Ah, there was an actual study done to show the affects of drugs and alchohol on drivers using a 100% sober control group. They were suprised to find that the only other group to not only perform as well, but better, than the control group, was those under the influence of cannabis. I will try to find the study in a bit. Of course, with any drug, it's affects can vary from person to person and depending on their experience. However, I find more often than not, the "idiot potheads", ie; those who fall under the term "loser" or "irresponsible"; those who would give a bad impression of "potheads" were idiots to begin with. Actually, I think I touched on this a bit above, already.

Not sure I know what Canal is? And dammit, I thought this was for Saturday. Anyone have a cruise planned for Saturday?

Awesome. I don't know how well it'd work or, better yet, how hard it would be to make it work well. I guess you could always addon one of those little bicycle motors.

I'm the opposite. I enjoy putting all the shit together. The harder the better. It's like putting together models, etc. I like that stuff. So, I'll add this: You got something that needs to be put together? Bring it to my house. I'll put it together on the super cheap. May even be willing to barter for something other than cash. I'm super cereal.

Allow me to elaborate a bit. I know the answers to all my questions. I was trying to get others to ask themselves. I had planned on coming back and posting some info, but you've beat me to some of it, already.

Not entirely true. Most potsmokers who are lazy, loser fucks with no motivation were lazy, loser fucky before they started smoking. As with anything, responsibility plays a huge role. I know more smokers who hold a job, own their own cars, pay their own bills, etc., than don't. By far. Guess you just need to hang out with people who aren't idiots. I know more doctors, business owners, and professors who smoke than you can imagine. Good, hardworking people that would never fit into this ignorant view people have of everyone who smokes. I would get into this further, but I'm not comfortable on a public forum.

I think Thorne meant you'd have a very hard time killing yourself with weed. I mean, unless you try to swallow a bag and choke on it. Marijuana is far more safe and even beneficial in many areas, as opposed to tobacco and alcohol. Do some research. People prefer to listen to someone spout off who actually know what they're talking about.

Ditto here. I have crappy thin all seasons on my car's rear and old need to be changed yoko's on the front. Still fun. Where are you guys going cruising at?

:zoom: :burn: <---Me.

It was kinda funny, but I actually felt more sorry for him.

I took the dogs and went on a little cruise today. Sunny and the roads were dry except for the occasional spot on some backroads. Was freakin falling into a boredom coma. Working myself into another one right now.

If he hasn't figured it out on his own within 7 fucking miles, no goddamn sign's going to make a difference. lol

Anyone not celebrating Xmas w/family have any plans/ideas for today? It's 10:55am and I'm going to be bored outta my mind in about 2hrs or less.

You've probably got a good point there. Spoke with a doctor Monday who's conducting a study I was going to be involved in. Nothing to do with marijuana, however, the topic came up. He thinks it should be legal, as well. His belief is that it would be legal if the government could come up with a lucractive way of taxing it. I think that's one of a few reasons. His belief in it's medical uses was strong, as well.

Yeah, I was looking forward to having a game to watch yesterday. To bad that didn't happen. On top of that, I can't stand Notre Dame. Bastards.

Yes. Yes, I am.