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Gold. Just put a center cap in it though. I can't stand the half-assed center cap missing look.

Exactly what I was thinking. WTF is this planet talk. Planets mean nothing to me if I can go there and drive a big V8 around on them.

No, just a comment that in general I'm looking forward to what the future may bring in terms of cell phones. The newer iP4 does a couple things my Gs doesn't but nothing deal-breaking or causing me to go upgrade.

I don't know anything about ubuntu so I can't comment. I stand by the fact that it's not Apple's fault or their control over the situation that is the center of this problem. IMO it sounds like there were some qualifying questions you could have asked as related the needs you are expressing prior to buying an iPad. Again, not Apples fault. Consumers need to investigate products thoroughly prior to buying them to do what they need. I'm not mad that my MS3 doesn't have all the modification ability and ECU tuning capability that say a WRX does. Perhaps it does, just not as easily or reliably, but in the end, that's not Mazda's issue, it was my responsibility to insure I got out of my purchase what I was looking to own and use the car to do. Although in both cases I can understand why things do get "locked down" and it is 100% related to support and reliability in the marketplace. Any company will tell you that in terms of their help desk.

It's not that Apple won't let you, it's that they didn't design the iPad to do everything. It has nothing to do with Apple controlling you or what you can do. They simply designed the device to do certain things not everything; no different than my car or any product. The above is an opinion and the question a desire that I think can be said about any product. I'm not sure what you're looking for you iPad to do vs your phone so I can't speak to specifics. I do see my iPad as being more functional than my phone and being used for more things than my phone. At first it was great and perfect to have a smart phone that can do email and view videos and surf on. However, all of that is so much better suited to my iPad so now I look at it and say I'm actually disappointed that cell phones don't do more than they currently do. However, that too is changing which is good for everyone. Tools are evolving. I don't think it was ever meant to be. If apple wanted a fully functional computer in an iPad, I'm sure they could have done it. They have really, it's call the Airbook...or whatever the official name is. IMO, the iPad fits perfectly between a Phone and a laptop.

Couples banters deleted from this thread eh? Mods must be developing a soft side for things :megusta: I still stand by the fact that you're going to need thicker skin than you showed initially. Come on man, Cleveland isn't that soft.

Can't make this one, but someone with a camera take some pics and post 'em up!

No, as the consumer market wasn't looking for a tablet that was the same size or larger than a laptop. The ergonomics and function was desired but the size wasn't. Smaller tablets like what my wife has, especially rugged ones weren't cheap like they are today. iPads and such are also a lot smaller still. So really, it is about time that we can have a device this small, this handy, allowing me to be this productive and last 1-3 days with heavy use before charging. I use my iPad for a number of things: Email GPS VPN for accessing our company specific programs WebEx Presenations Trainings at Doctor Offices/seminars Web Surfing Watching Movies on the road Music Photo Proofing on shoots Display my portfolio to clients Games Reading books Slideshow creation Instant access to my files via wireless sync.

Not the V you're thinking of seeing here on CR.....well, maybe it is? Another marketing win if you ask me. Yeah, I like a good commercial. :gabe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxW_ZCd64tg&feature=player_embedded

Exterior style. ^^ this.

At least you'll have an Italian Sport Sedan then. Sad. Now we're down to the big 2.

The early sedans had this then they went back to the cheap badge didn't they? I know my friend who has one year one had the wing badge but the new ones don't. Not sure why.

WOW! 13:40 Just WOW!

Watching this makes me sad that we actually pay people like that cop to "serve and protect" He's about as big of a disgrace as can be. This is the type of shit that needs to make headline news.

I'm going to call the next cop that pulls me over Haus.

We can agree to disagree. I sold tablet PC's with medical and document mgt. based solutions in all kinds of markets with my leading space being Healthcare. In order to compete in today's market, business and business people do need them. Laptops are no longer the carry around choice for professionals in many spaces. Laptops today are what we sold them all last decade, desktop replacements. I hardly ever take my laptop with me. I can do just about everything I need on my iPad. Work related I really only use my desktop to create large spreadsheets or word docs. Mainly because I have a 30" monitor at home and a 24" one at work. I suppose I could pair my iPad to it at work, but then again, no need. I can use it as a separate screen though. Lots of times I will have it on for email and shut down outlook on my desktop to help me stay focused. Rewatch the TED Video. That's because the manufacturers sold their widget without selling the why or marketing it properly. They had no sense of an application behind the hardware. They sold no sense of integrating them into peoples lives. Apple has done that quite well. So much so that even you admit not understanding why people are buying them. and you can say the same thing about owning an AWD Car vs mine that's FWD. those two days per year in Cbus where you need it, you have me beat, although I have never been stranded in 2WD mode. I think they call that Your Mileage Will Vary. Flash came first and has dominated installations on the desktop market but mobile device wise, they found that not everyone needs or wants them. But then, they knew that as many browsers can prevent the use of flash on sites too. I for one don't need the related spam that is associated with it on various web sites. :fuuuu: You're no fun

I know, I sold thousands of ruggedized tablets into the medical market for years. Certainly not out dated and more and more being replaced with the newer smaller yet still ruggedized tablets.

People don't need tablets? Who's telling who what they do and don't need here, Apple or you? Really....so the masses are buying tablets and spending upwards of $1k on iPads but don't need them? Are they in turn returning or selling them back in masses? You must hang out with a rich crowd with expensive technology that just sits around. I see folks everywhere using them in business and personal settings all the time. Netbooks preceded the iPad by nearly 3 years so I think consumers saw the iPad as an about time kinda thing. Especially those looking to use it mainly for information consumption. Really...flash is that much of an issue? I think I have run into an issue with it one time in my life where I couldn't play a vid on my phone or iPad and wanted to. Ironically it was a Street Racing vid that honestly, wasn't critical in my life to view at that time. I've been using my iPhone for 2 years and my iPad since last summer and yet to have issues. Again, most sites that I visit don't require flash and I surf a shit load. So is Adobe Flash considered an open standard product or is it limiting and proprietary? Is Apple the one responsible for me not being able to view a site or is it instead the site developer who hasn't properly laid out his content to play on my platform? Considering the industry buzz going around, if Apple was such a bad company that was so greatly interfering with peoples web content consumption, why is it they are selling so well and being used all over for web use? Obviously iPads aren't lacking what people truly need to use them. Sounds to me like Apple knew that and knows that quite well. If not they either wouldn't be selling or Apple would have caved. Last time I checked, Apple was selling a shit ton of them at list price. Contrast that with just yesterday, someone here posted a $100 off tablet coupon for Staples. Another Android discount play on price point to try and drive sales. Video wise, yes, TED Vids play crystal clear for me. However, I wouldn't waste my time using my phone to do it. Why, when I have a desktop, a laptop and hell, my iPad is usually always in my bag when I'm on the go. Plays on my iPad just fine, so I'm assuming my phone would play it too. I have no problem integrating my iDevices with non Apple stuff? I use my iPad with my DSLR's on photo shoots even. In terms of drag and drop of songs, I don't see the issue. D&D is nice, but iTunes does a lot more than serve as a simple way to drag and drop music to your device. I suppose if all your looking for is a D&D device one could just go buy a cheap MP3 player from Rio. I have one of those too, but see no need for it anymore. User error? IDK, I've never had a problem nor has my wife who is a techno zero. Plugs her phone into my PC and syncs whatever she wants. Same with her laptop. In fact today, I put about a dozen songs on a thumb drive so she could just drop them in her library on her work PC and play them there. Drag and drop, then plug and play simple. STFU, you did not seriously say an iPod is a nightmare. Come one, you're techno 10 and if an iPod is a nightmare than I'd question your desire to actually just take 1 minute to figure it out. Cable wise, ALL cell Phones have fucked up different cables. I've had countless phones and if it wasn't for those universal cables with all the tips with them, I'd be broke. There's nothing special about my iPhone cable. The charger in my car is the same cord as I used with my Blackberry, I just swapped tips. My wife's 3G Phone, my 3Gs and Even the new 4G all use the same cable. I can sync my iPad with it too, however, it won't charge from a USB Port. No surprise given the power limitation there, but that's not Apple's fault.

I get that consumers have wants and needs and are buying from Apple because they market products (wheather you like them or not) in a way that aligns with what people are asking for and doing it in a way that leverages simplicity with effectiveness in products that have a clean style. I also get that Apple knows how to target a specific market by listening to their needs and communicating how their products match up with their needs. Apple drives loyalty by keeping things simple and insuring the adoption of their products use is easy and not just with one or two things but rather consumers are able to really integrate the products into their lives. Integration is key and you see that in how they are marketing things. Androids have some cool techy stuff, but I'm not going to buy it if it's difficult or unclear on how to get a full boat of value from it. Apple is easy as hell and I feel I can get my full value from their tools.

I get the why on the side of Android and it's customization ability, but it's not present in much if any of their marketing. When they do it's usually in some slam on Apple. ie., HP's recent ads for their tablet. They also don't separate the Android platform enough. They market it as if it's the better version of Apple's stuff. Not effective. They need to stand completely on their own without slamming or even inferring anything about the competition. That's contrary to good marketing sense. Unfortunately it's done a lot. I've been fortunate in going to the past few. Link for those that haven't seen it. :lolguy:

^^ if anyone needs a new logo/badge for their cars it's Kia. Hot car though. I think Kia and Hyundai need to rebrand their new line up of cars into something completely separate. Keep the luxury and performance aspects in one brand segment and the commuter DD'ers in the other. Toyota has Lexus, Honda Acura, now Kia and Hyundai need their high-line mix.

I agree and spent time with a buddy last week and really enjoyed the design and look. It likely is a great device and could be better. However, when it comes time for me to buy a phone, Apple has really made that process easy and has a strong loyal following. I'm not a fan-boy, but I am sold on a 4G capable iPhone that is seamless for me to transition over to. They have even made upgrading easy. Like you said, and where we agree, they have great stuff. However, they are ruining it and one way is by making it complicated. In some cases, yes they are trying to mimic and that too sends a bad message as to why I don't buy one.

Do watch it. The whole thing too. Even after the Apple example stops. Then you'll understand where I'm coming from. Plug in your own examples and experiences afterwards to test the theory. Even CR or the Vortex Forum.....there are tons of other sites I can surf that talk about cars, etc...but those two are my favorite. Why? I disagree in that Apple builds something then looks for a market or then tries to cram it down peoples throats. They CLEARLY know WHY they are building towards and don't worry about the rest. That rest of market is what you're referencing where there's not a good alignment. That's okay. No one ever get's 100% market alignment. Apple knows that, many don't and what makes them successful is they target that market. I work for a very large company that does the same thing. The rest of market tries to bash us because we are a market leader and cater to a very specific crowd. Others base their examples off us and tout their offerings as better, but they too clearly lack a center point of customer loyalty that taps into why we do what we do. That loyalty is profitable and for us in our market, allows us to be very strong.

People don't buy what, they buy why. Both Androids and iPhones are great products. I'm not bashing any of the HTC's or whatever Android devices are out there. However, I will say, there are already so many different versions and brands and models and what not of Android Devices that I'm turned off that I have to think and research that so much before I even know which one I'm interested in and why? Then I have to figure out the techy stuff behind it that is touted as the reason to buy one? Fuck that, I just want a smart phone that I can plug into my computer at work, home and have it sync music, data, other stuff both personal and business related and just plain work. I have what 1-2 choices now? Oh, and it's interface is relatively the same as other devices I use like my MP3 player and tablet? It works on Macs and PC's off all types and brands? Pretty simple and all that said, yes, I'll pay more for such a device even if it's on a network that I really don't care for. Hmmm......sounds like Apple was Most innovative and by innovative, I don't limit that descriptor of them to just techy stuff. On top of it, they haven't had to discount or give away devices or try and slam the competition to do it either. Sounds like they understand their target market; and not they are targeting everyone.