shittygsxr

so what have we all learned here? I think this can be easily related to something I have been telling women for years "Its only cheating if you get caught"

There is ORC that conflicts with what the cops on this board have said, but good luck proving it. Wether it is legal or illegal the judge doesnt give a fuck anyways.

To the LEO's on this board thanks for your insight, we got a bunch of different points of view but they all led to the same conclusion which is, good luck proving it. I have no hard feelings toward anyone here and i guess the next time i get pulled over we will find out if the feeling is mutual.

Hey VMX12C I am agreeing with you!! I even copied part of the ORC that says you are excluded from traffic laws when you are responding to an emergency and have lights and sirens on. I guess if those conditions are not met you have to drive like the rest of us

SHTY,

At least you checked into the law. You're mistaken, but it showed initiative. According to state law, emergency vehicles fall under a different definition than "Motor vehicles" and are exempt from most traffic laws. To answer your question in the same tone as it was asked. Yes, you will see my vehicle parked along side the road with it's lights out. Yes, I am pulled off of the pavement......I have a great spot designed just for this. Yes, if you speed through town at mach three you will be pulled over. Yes, you can fight the ticket.....but be prepared to shell out some extra cash for court costs. I've only ever lost one ticket and that was due to the violator being close friends with the judge. The judge even admitted it to me. Crappy but there.

Spin the wheel and take your chances. Good luck in court.

You are right there are lots of exceptions for emergency vehicles those exceptions usually only apply when they are responding to an emergency call and have their lights on I did bold one line in the following ORC and it is a pretty standard disclaimer.

Since you by your own admission pull off of the pavement, out of what could be the path of a vehicle in distress that may have to exit the road quickly you are doing nothing wrong. You are not putting anyones safety at risk and I applaud that.

The cops on the shoulder of the highway with their lights off and engines running have some BIG HUGE NUTZ that is scary, it would have to suck to get a blow out and to pull off to the side quickly only to smash into a police cruiser and kill a cop.

4511.041 Exceptions to traffic rules for emergency or public safety vehicle responding to emergency call.

Sections 4511.12, 4511.13, 4511.131, 4511.132, 4511.14, 4511.15, 4511.202, 4511.21, 4511.211, 4511.22, 4511.23, 4511.25, 4511.26, 4511.27, 4511.28, 4511.29, 4511.30, 4511.31, 4511.32, 4511.33, 4511.34, 4511.35, 4511.36, 4511.37, 4511.38, 4511.39, 4511.40, 4511.41, 4511.42, 4511.43, 4511.431, 4511.432, 4511.44, 4511.441, 4511.57, 4511.58, 4511.59, 4511.60, 4511.61, 4511.62, 4511.66, 4511.68, 4511.681, and 4511.69 of the Revised Code do not apply to the driver of an emergency vehicle or public safety vehicle if the emergency vehicle or public safety vehicle is responding to an emergency call, is equipped with and displaying at least one flashing, rotating, or oscillating light visible under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of five hundred feet to the front of the vehicle and if the driver of the vehicle is giving an audible signal by siren, exhaust whistle, or bell. This section does not relieve the driver of an emergency vehicle or public safety vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons and property upon the highway.

Effective Date: 05-20-1993

SHTY,

At least you checked into the law. You're mistaken, but it showed initiative. According to state law, emergency vehicles fall under a different definition than "Motor vehicles" and are exempt from most traffic laws. To answer your question in the same tone as it was asked. Yes, you will see my vehicle parked along side the road with it's lights out. Yes, I am pulled off of the pavement......I have a great spot designed just for this. Yes, if you speed through town at mach three you will be pulled over. Yes, you can fight the ticket.....but be prepared to shell out some extra cash for court costs. I've only ever lost one ticket and that was due to the violator being close friends with the judge. The judge even admitted it to me. Crappy but there.

Spin the wheel and take your chances. Good luck in court.

You are right there are lots of exceptions for emergency vehicles those exceptions usually only apply when they are responding to an emergency call and have their lights on I did bold one line in the following ORC and it is a pretty standard disclaimer.

Since you by your own admission pull off of the pavement, out of what could be the path of a vehicle in distress that may have to exit the road quickly you are doing nothing wrong. You are not putting anyones safety at risk and I applaud that.

The cops on the shoulder of the highway with their lights off and engines running have some BIG HUGE NUTZ that is scary, it would have to suck to get a blow out and to pull off to the side quickly only to smash into a police cruiser and kill a cop.

4511.041 Exceptions to traffic rules for emergency or public safety vehicle responding to emergency call.

Sections 4511.12, 4511.13, 4511.131, 4511.132, 4511.14, 4511.15, 4511.202, 4511.21, 4511.211, 4511.22, 4511.23, 4511.25, 4511.26, 4511.27, 4511.28, 4511.29, 4511.30, 4511.31, 4511.32, 4511.33, 4511.34, 4511.35, 4511.36, 4511.37, 4511.38, 4511.39, 4511.40, 4511.41, 4511.42, 4511.43, 4511.431, 4511.432, 4511.44, 4511.441, 4511.57, 4511.58, 4511.59, 4511.60, 4511.61, 4511.62, 4511.66, 4511.68, 4511.681, and 4511.69 of the Revised Code do not apply to the driver of an emergency vehicle or public safety vehicle if the emergency vehicle or public safety vehicle is responding to an emergency call, is equipped with and displaying at least one flashing, rotating, or oscillating light visible under normal atmospheric conditions from a distance of five hundred feet to the front of the vehicle and if the driver of the vehicle is giving an audible signal by siren, exhaust whistle, or bell. This section does not relieve the driver of an emergency vehicle or public safety vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons and property upon the highway.

Effective Date: 05-20-1993

I dont want to give the wrong impression so I will just say it. Cops, I love you guys, I would not trade jobs with you. I couldn't deal with assholes like me all day long and if I had to I wouldn't be very plesent, so I see where some of the attitudes come from. You guys are always there when I need you and only a phone call away, so sometimes it takes two hours for you to arrive but better late than never.

i have thought about trying those out!

getting beat by a triumph.. classic!

so was the off only in the grass?

you got it all wrong, it broke down there and he was lapping it again

Good to see your okay and the bike is relatively undamaged.

the first time I saw his bike I made sure he was okay because i thought he had just wrecked. Then he told me the wife helped him paint it!

so I went down Monday @ midohio. I lowsided coming out of turn 8 into turn 9 (start of the s curves). I'm ok but the best part of my crash was that EVERYONE was right there to see it. I know shitty got some funny pics of me sliding & rolling and everyone had a good laugh once they realized I was OK.

here are the pics I took Tues afternoon before tearing everything apart

I guess it doesnt matter when we started laughing, the important thing is that you are o.k. I guess it is officially appropiate to post pics so I will do that when I get home.

Props to R1_MP

Big Green Valley just man up and say that you are wrong about the parking light situation. R1_MP called it first and I provided the ORC. People are caling you out because you have been proved wrong and you are still in denial.

ORC 4513.10 Lights on parked vehicles.

(A) Except in case of an emergency, whenever a vehicle is parked or stopped upon a roadway open to traffic or a shoulder adjacent thereto, whether attended or unattended, during the times mentioned in section 4513.03 of the Revised Code, such vehicle shall be equipped with one or more lights which shall exhibit a white or amber light on the roadway side visible from a distance of five hundred feet to the front of such vehicle, and a red light visible from a distance of five hundred feet to the rear. No lights need be displayed upon any such vehicle when it is stopped or parked within a municipal corporation where there is sufficient light to reveal any person or substantial object within a distance of five hundred feet upon such highway. Any lighted headlights upon a parked vehicle shall be depressed or dimmed.

I wouldn't mind seeing "Mansfield" as one of the locations. I feel like i am hijacking threads when i hit up cleveland and columbus. I know its not a big city but its in the middle of state

Where does it stop youngstown? akron? canton? how about a location called shitholes and rides can be posted for other areas. Nah that wont work:(

One more try, a subforum for other or smaller locations and once the member number of a particular "area" gets over a certain number then it gets its own subforum

I agree with you to a certain degree. When it pertains to speed limits I have stopped and issued more written warnings than citations. I have some tolerance for those who go over the speed limit, but not for those who speed excessively.

If the general flow of traffic is traveling at a rate of speed in excess of the speed limit, but flowing smoothly, who should I stop?

I realize that life is not black and white. (No pun intended) There are many shades of gray.

Remember that it is my job to enforce the law. I do my best to be fair and enforce the law equally and as equitably as possible.

well if the traffic is flowing smoothly but over the legal limit just pick somebody and pull them over create a traffic jam during the middle of rush hour and make 1000 people late for work. The economic impact of 1000 people being ½ hour late for work is worth the $100 fine you collect

Or you can think critically. There are two defenses to laws “the letter of the law” or “the intent of the law”

The letter of the law, would mean that since everybody was travelling above the posted limits they are all criminals and should be punished.

The intent of the law, could be look at from the perspective that it is to keep everyone safe, so if there a danger to resolve? By pulling a person over and creating a traffic jam have I increased or decreased the safety of the public as a whole?

If traffic is able to move faster than posted speeds in a safe manner then it is up to the city, county, or state engineers to place additional choke points into the system to regulate the flow of traffic.

the law is thrown out in court , there are many laws abiding to traffic , must be clearly marked ..... MUST use sirens in route . i have a pet peeve with that , parma only uses lights all over community till the have to ask someone to move, or wanna blow a light instead of waiting when not in persuit . it is dangerous to the citizens of the community.persuit of misdemeanor over 10 miles about the speed limit is in violation, for the safety of civilization. there are alot of laws that are there , that are commonly overlooked.

also you will always see troopers in their Smokey because in order to give a citation the officer must be in complete uniform in the state. which no one ever follows that.

I had a cop up on the stand once when I was 20 and I started questioning him. All of the real attourneys in the back of the room started laughing as I pointed out the super powers of the cop. The officer then said "Let me guess you are going to ask if I was wearing my hat next" I polietly said "No, because that only applies to Highway Patrol officers, but you were wearing your goofy hat" I still had to pay some court costs but they waived my fine, if I am going to have to pay court costs then I am going to court.

Quite honestly, neither do you.

4549.13 Marking and equipment for motor vehicle used by traffic enforcement officers.

Any motor vehicle used by a member of the state highway patrol or by any other peace officer, while said officer is on duty for the exclusive or main purpose of enforcing the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor, shall be marked in some distinctive manner or color and shall be equipped with, but need not necessarily have in operation at all times, at least one flashing, oscillating, or rotating colored light mounted outside on top of the vehicle. The superintendent of the state highway patrol shall specify what constitutes such a distinctive marking or color for the state highway patrol.

The bolded wording simply means that a Police Cruiser must be marked as a Police Cruiser.

VMX12C has done a very good job of articulating the difference between what Ohio Law covers vs. a specific Police Departments policy.

You don't like what you're hearing or reading and therefore may never agree with it. It's okay to have an opinion and to speak your mind and disagree. But in the end, speed limits and laws exist and if you decide to violate those speed limits and laws then you have made your choice.

Violate the law and get caught, accept the penalty.

The speed limits are posted and are there to be adhered to regardless of Police Officer presence.

Quite honestly I do understand the law. You need to spend some more time in school. The law you are citing refers to what markings a police vehicle needs to have to distinguish it from a civilian vehicle. THE END

This issue because very popular in the nineties when people where purchasing flashing lights and pulling people over. There were more than a few cases where people where robbed, raped, or killed. Not necessarily in that order.

The ORC that I cited said a vehicle on the roadway open to traffic or a shoulder adjacent thereto, whether attended or unattended, during the times mentioned in section 4513.03 of the Revised Code, such vehicle shall be equipped with one or more lights which shall exhibit a white or amber light on the roadway side visible from a distance of five hundred feet to the front of such vehicle, and a red light visible from a distance of five hundred feet to the rear.

I really hope that you are not a cop, because if you can't understand the law you should not be in charge of holding people to it.

^^^ +rep

Thank you thank you. I will be here all week.

The problem with this law is that I don't know any department's other than OSP who have cruisers dedicated to ONLY enforcing traffic laws. Our cruisers are on duty for various functions. Traffic enforcement being only one of them.

The main problem is that you dont understand the law. The motor vehicle doesnt have to be used exclusively for traffic stops, it is saying if the main purpose of the officers presence in an area if for traffic stops. So if you are sitting on the shoulder of the highway without your lights on standing outside of your cruiser with a speed measuring device a lawyer would argue that you main purpose was to enforce traffic laws and need to be in a "marked" car

ORC 4549.13 Marking and equipment for motor vehicle used by traffic enforcement officers.

Any motor vehicle used by a member of the state highway patrol or by any other peace officer, while said officer is on duty for the exclusive or main purpose of enforcing the motor vehicle or traffic laws of this state, provided the offense is punishable as a misdemeanor, shall be marked in some distinctive manner or color and shall be equipped with, but need not necessarily have in operation at all times, at least one flashing, oscillating, or rotating colored light mounted outside on top of the vehicle. The superintendent of the state highway patrol shall specify what constitutes such a distinctive marking or color for the state highway patrol.

R1_MP. Would you please show me the ORC section that states this? I've been an officer in Ohio for the past 15 years. This would be a new one for me. As I am also the FTO at my department, having taken additional training to teach new officers, I would be interested in where you heard that this was law? It may be YOUR department's policy, but it's not law. I've been at departments that require lights on, but have not in 15 years been shown a law that states this. My current department does not require lights on. I figure that if we were violating law the court magistrate would have corrected it by now. Hundreds if not thousands of cites have been written to date with no sign of indiscretion. And yes, it has been brought up in court on more than one occasion. They ended up paying the fine and court costs.

So I guess we can expect to see you sitting there with your lights on in the future? If not can you at least make sure that your vehicle is not on pavement?

ORC 4513.10 Lights on parked vehicles.

(A) Except in case of an emergency, whenever a vehicle is parked or stopped upon a roadway open to traffic or a shoulder adjacent thereto, whether attended or unattended, during the times mentioned in section 4513.03 of the Revised Code, such vehicle shall be equipped with one or more lights which shall exhibit a white or amber light on the roadway side visible from a distance of five hundred feet to the front of such vehicle, and a red light visible from a distance of five hundred feet to the rear. No lights need be displayed upon any such vehicle when it is stopped or parked within a municipal corporation where there is sufficient light to reveal any person or substantial object within a distance of five hundred feet upon such highway. Any lighted headlights upon a parked vehicle shall be depressed or dimmed.

(B) Whoever violates this section shall be punished as provided in section 4513.99 of the Revised Code.

Effective Date: 01-01-2004

For real!!!!!!!!!! That thing is scary.

go to bed

I am excited! Last year's OR bike nights were so much fun and I am actually off of work June 11th and the following Thursday. Way to go Yota

forgot to tell you, but you were not invited. Everybody else got a special invitation from Ben

Happy Birthday. 18 yet ?

:???: did I just get hit on? its too early for this shit

ahhh... that sucks..

only if you have to leave a ride early..

Happy birthday!

So what were the much anticipated birthday plans she was making for you?

eating hamburgers at her parents house

I just ordered the 2009 suomy earache replica

In case you were wondering how OG was running such low lap times he cheated and I caught him in the act. He was taking a short cut

:lol:

I can make you one too, just let me know.

He made your banner didn't he?

No (pause) (pause) Yess