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http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/25/countdown-bush-used-bogus-terror-threat-to-scare-votes-for-fisa-bill/

again kicking down my door and me protectin my family next im in jail for shooting at a officer. Again this would be like me sleeping "thirdshift" my door is kicked in. I have no clue if its a cop or a "Bad guy" When i anounche i have a gun they are going to already be edgey I get fucking shot. Thats fucking lame you think thats ok. Post your info prove you are ok with it.

do you think for yourself. Or do you just go with whats said onthe media.. Its really sad proof exists that iraq did not do shit. We need to help home and protect ou fucking boarders not police the fucking world. and 41 lives is 41 lives. your skipping family friends whos lives are fucked from then on. But you think x badguys are stopped you hae no fucking proof. so real vs hypothetical. You don't think there are better ways to protect america. I thinks its obvious you dont do your own resarch and are just a sheep. YOur in the 26% of people who think we should be at war . But we did not persue the real problem. You fell for the fear mongering. Do some rearch read the reports. You incorrectly think survelance protects. It has not helped else wear so why should it here. Why don't you leave america, Britian sounds like a good palce. Since most of america likes our liberties and your a sheep about giving them up.

the point im making is that you want things implemented that have abad track record of stoppping a fucking things, Yet they do have a track record of hurting poeple that are not breaking any fucking laws. What you also miss is your saying lets catch some guy smoking a joint, the cost is the lives of americans who did not a damn thing wrong. I tell you what if a cop came in my house for something I did nothing on. they bettter anouce who they are very clearly because, Protecting my house means if I can't tell I'm shooting back because it dont matter my risk of being shot is ther IF 'm falsing getting hurt I'm taking someone with me. I would ike you to please post your email address and password so ic an read it and makesure you dont braekt he rules. You say the info wont be misused and your wrong. its happened like at the guy who stalked his GF. There is no checks and balances. If im on the phone talking about dnd and the guys i killed in game an i get fucing investgated for playing a game is that fair.. No its not becasue your scared of the world. you also said due process should not exist. WTF there are people charged with murder who did nothing. do you thinkthose people would come out ore pissed off or less. what about the children that see this cop break in and take there innocent daddy those kids are crimnals in the making.. A good portion of the protection on the internet "Fixes for hacks including banks" are found by people who test hack. do they need investigated allot of the it you use today was founded by people like me who learned about hacking for fun. my friends and me play capture the box. we setup a box with a flaw and try and break in. so when im investigated for tht and they notice I have books about war and stratgegy "Tom clancy" now I'm under more scrutinty . you feel that i should have no due process . I think your a fucking goof since you feel your shit dont stink. So prove you don't care please post personal info. I think the reason we see thinks so diffrent "IT" vs your fear, Is my job has been about privacy since before you know what hte internet was. I have had acces to read thosands to millioons of pope email for years, Do I. Not a single time. I've even had to provide alw enforcement with info. I've not once reviewed it. But thats because i respect privacy. eventhough my job is to also protect our network from malintent. You have no proof all this violation of privacy helps but i have proof it hurts. I want you to prove your ok with these things. Can I please go threw your house and look around. If I see guns I want to ntoe that so if shit happens I can come take your guns from you. Even thought 2nd says you can. If you have stuff abut being a muslim I want to mark you as a terroist and wathc everthing you do so if you do something I can come down on you. I want you to also share you ie history. Unless your willing to post all this info then your a hipocrit. Give me a reason why youthink thise is going to bust badguys. I am not a badguy. I'm a upstanding citizen I've been a nehgbor watch, I've helped poeple finicaly and emotionaly that i did not even know. But I should have to be under scrutinty?

again mistakes do happen but why increase the frequenchy of the mistaekes.

OMFG JESUS CHRIST JSUT LEAVE GOTO FUCKING RUSSIA YOU FUCKING COMMUNIST. ITS OK FOR PEOPLE TO FUCKING DIE TO PROTECT AMERICA FROM A NONEXSTITANT PERSON. ITS NON EXISTANT BECAUSE UNTIL THE PERSON IS IDENTIFED AND CHARGED THEY STILL ARE NOT A BAD GUY. ITS OK TO GIVE UP LIFE JUST FUCKING GIVE YOURS UP RIGHT NOW . I AM SO PISSED THAT SOMEONE WHO CARRY THEM SELF IN SUCH A DIGNIFIED WAY COULD SO EASYLY JUSTFY PEOPLE TO FUCKING DIE. YOU THINK ITS FUCKING OK FOR SOMEONE TO BREAK DOWN YOUR FUCKING DOOR AND SHOOT YOU. LETS TAKE THIS. IF TONIGHT THE POLICE KICKED IN YOUR DOOR PUT GUNS IN YOUR KIDS FACES SCARED THE DAYLIGHTS OUT OF YOUR FAMILY. CAUSING POSSIBLY EVEN WOR.SE WHEN YOU HEAR SOMEONE CRASH IN AND MAYBE YOU GET SHOT. YOU WOULD FUCK YOUR GOD DAMN KIDS UP THAT BAD TO THINK ITS OK TO SUBJECT THEM TO IT. NO IT MAY NOT HAPPEN TO YOU KIDS BUT GUESSE WHAT ITS HAPPENED ON MORE THEN 1 OCCASION. THEM KIDS HAVE A HEAVY FUCKING BURDEN ON THERE MOTHER FUCKING SHOULDS NOW. THEY SEEN THERE PARENTS SHOT BY THE FUCKING POLICE. YOU THINK FROM THAT POINT FOWARD THEY WILL LIKE THE COPS. I apolgize for caps. but I wanted to just fucking scream because of the pure audaicisty that you advocate the harm of children because it might save a child from porn but there dad being killed is ok. There is no fucking argument you can respond with that would even amount to a god damn thing. you said its ok for accidents because its for this great good. those accidents involve real people if you would come down from you fucking chariot in the god damn sky and stop thinkgin you perfect. ya know people got shit in there lives thats not to be fucking public. I got a family member who did something he should not ahve and got in trouble. The police fucked up not 1 but 2 mother fucking times kicking in the fucking door of a house over here. they thought he lived there. Even though he had moved over 1.5 years back. There were children in that house, do you think that was good for them. now this is a fucking real scenario i can get you the court docs from madison fucking county to prove it. This type of shit will only get worse when there busting doors down on imprper research. you have child porn why? you clicked on a fucking LINN link. So fuck you, you are the most unamerican person I've ever seen online. You don't give af uck about america's values you care about your fucking care bear world and thinking you can protect it by giving up what other epopel hold dear. That fucked up part is you will end up losing more because now the goverment is so busy with its BS there missing the real fucking issues. You think the goverment has power now. I will say that when they want to sniff a users email they have to contact us right now and go threw legal proceedings and its a big process. But when they request it we retain the info at that point so if they get threw Legal dept the get the data. now what will you fucking think when they force us to put a box in to sniff all email. Thats ok to you, Look long and fucking hard at all your email and tell me there is not 1 email that would get flagged and I will show you why it would. They would use Baysian technology similar to spamassian its the only solution that would support inline fast reading. Lots of real email gets flagged as spam because just simple words or even a missppleing exists. they get flagged as spam. So think about that. next time you vote. think abouts omeone other then you frieghtened little self for a sec. Or maybe realise the fear is founded but there ar emany other ways to properly deal with the solution. I apolgize for all the misspellings / Curse words / english problems once i calm down tommorow I will rewrite it. It's people liek you that make me lose faith in america. You hate america and what we stand for. you also must hat ethe troops as they fight for freedoms and civil rights for another nation and our own. since you don't give a fuck if you have rights you don't give af uck about the troops. You can tell me I'm full of shit but i think you would find more poeple on cr back my statements then yours because your hopefully the minority of misinformed people. Again I hope you don't think I hate you are anything Its just i think you need to reanylze you beliefs and fears.

and yet you give up your rights

yes please =)

All CIngular pictures of you have pic mail upload right away. You can hack your phone and fix it.

well better think about that watch movies part. more and more the goverment will implement sensorship if we continue down the path were on. We will need to prevent agress thoughts.

YOUR A FUCKING TOOL . Gun control does not affect crimnals. Jesus christ If I'm going to shoot someone I don't give a fuck about what laws are in place. I'm already commiting crimes. Its a cake walk to get a gun off the streets. Go see the east side. REad the guys fucking track record on his campaign. HE DONT KNOW THE FUCKING ISSUES. because poeple lost there rights during WW2 was that a good thing? No did it do anything postive no. If you see my other thread directed towards people who are so scared of life they will give up it all for what they think is safety when in reality its nothing more then a false blanket and now requiring safety from false persuction from there goverment. IF your such a pussy you need the goverment to be a nanny to you just go right now check yourself into a fucking nursing home and give up.

WTF do you read ? How the hell can you even say rudys a good canidate. This is a man that claimed clinton was trying start a war with iraq. this is also a dumb mother fucker who did not even read the 911 report but had no fucking clue about blow back. You go ahead and give up your fucking rights. I am going to fight to give up mine see my other thread.

We need to get more Ron Paul people. Its a grass roots movemment.

please email all audiotapes/mp3s to lnxgodATgmail.com Brian, I agree about the spying abilities. It just how far its gets pushed. The more Leadway there given above the radar the further they go below.

that calc tells me I can live were I am for 5 years before it even benfits me to not rent. Matt, Look at that calc. You will see what I'm saying.

I am pretty sure it was 138K I could be off since that was in 03. I could find out I will try some time. I was exxegerating as the point is It was Worth less then i owed. Yes I put 0 down as I was told using a FHA Loan as a first time buyer it was better for me to use a something gift. Its been a few years. I was locked in at 6% btw my CR was over 700 at that point. I got the best possible fixed rate I could. I had a 2-1 buy down. But I did put 0 down as I was told that was how I should do it by my realitor and since i grew up with parents who could not manage monopoly money. I only knew what I was told I had to prove I had the money to put down and I got some gift. I forget how it worked. If you want I can show you my earning statements. Maybe because you don't make money now you think I did not but I was making well over 36K at 19. I know a shitload more now. I relize putting down 0 was stupid. I also don't like you claiming I should not make X. It's a fucking insult that you mister low ball would talk shit about me. I'm sorry I did not know money back then But I did know IT and thats why I'm a engineer now. So I would ask that you retract your statement as we've always been cool on a persoonal level but I don't take to personal attacks well. lets see how I came up with 400K I paid 1119 a month with TAX/PMI 402840. For you since I'm soooo stupid let me show you my math 12*1119*30=Y

the greater good is always a plus but at what point do you draw the line. And I draw it now. I know allot of poeple have talked dirty on the phone with sig other . How would you feel if someone was listening laughing "you can't hear it" and even possible sharing the audio tapes.

I have nothing to hide minus my personal life ya know my example of the nutcase stalking that chick is a prime example. If I am in to BDSM does that mean I'm a crimnal but I bought handcuff now I'm a crimnal... thats the key is they have no way to proper analyze said data. But people do have the ability to abuse it. Imagine what kinda of audio tapes and video would leak the more data thats compiled. The things I'm talkinga bout the goverment doing are 100% posibble. again working in IT I understand things about what data can be analyzed and quickly scanned for keywords or patterns. Look at googles abilities .

PDPQDPDPD I do agree with you on some of the things you say, But I also hate the idea of violating lots of poeple to catch a handful of people. History has shown us that all this Knowledge is useless we know about the 9/11 attacks well we know it was a possiblity. But we did nothing. Look at the links i posted. For everyone thats caught there are 10 more the slip between the cracks. Personally I would prefer to live next to some guy sell some weed then some guy who's reading everything about me my fincial records or anything else because they can. I don't think times of changed to the point were the entire structure of the society needs to change to the point we live in a police state. I do not desire to live in a 1984 society and people miss that its slowly slipping into Furwishion. I work in IT and not just some low end sys admin. I have a perspective on things that many would not see. There are things I see and know that happen that bother me. to think that this info could get worse scares me.

I will quote my sources , I apologize for not doing it in the first place. See, I agree its good to catch bad people but how many times are poeple hassled for things when they should not be. Thats fine your willing to give up your liberties DON't GIve up mine. You don't think DHS has affected anyone not doing something wrong. I was investigated along with a few of my friends because we run a Network SEcurity group. What we did was educate systems admins how to run safer networks. We had 0 I mean 0 blackhats. Everything was on the up and up. Yet we were forced to shut down to avoid further legal issues. Could we have fought it yes. Should we have to NO. America was founded on certain princples. I don't feel its ok for a person "again not attacking" to give up those choices for me because they have fear. The goverment can't properly sort the info they have why do they need more info they can confuse and falsely accuse or hender peoples lives. The reason your friend likes america vs S Africa is because they are more fucked up they we are. Does that make it ok for us to continue making things worse? I don't feel it is. Whats a drug dealer? If someone smoked a joint is that a drug dealer? Did they harm anyone? Are there many other things those resources could be used for? The drug war is a joke. Legalizing pot would change the entire status of money fund and cut down on cocaine trafficing. That is not what this thread is about though. I feel that tomany poeple will quickly give up because they think its going to help when in reality there hurting everyone. Lets say your gay, No one knows your gay. You live a private life. Now joe blow jim bob knows your gay. This guy is a worker bee for DHS. Its very possible that person knows them. Now that info is not private any more. Was that fair to the gay man? This scenario could be anything that you consider private. I'm sure your wife and you talk about things that are ment for private. Those thigns in my opinion are ment for private use only. Not BigBrother. All you see is the fear based reasoning. Thats not a fair way to view things. My statement are based on REAL things not the hypothetical terrorist they might catch. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2188036,00.asp http://www.jonholato.com/2007/09/22/government-official-uses-homeland-security-data-to-stalk-ex-girlfriend/ ^DHS EMPLOYEE Exploting power- As I said its just regular people . - I don't feel someone should be aloud to do that. - For every 1 they catch how many go uncaught. - If I goto porn store and buy a toy for the wife I don't need jimbob knowing. http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/17/tsa-sir-this-is-an-i.html -This person was hassled becasuse of his job. Again WHY.

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I'm down. Cya guys there. If anyone has trailer space would love to take bike

* Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. o This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson is the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power." o Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin: + "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither" "He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security" "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither" "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." "If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both." "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." "He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither"

This is just 1 example of some of the people's views out there that will give up there freedoms for no fucking reason. I am not trying to attack this specific person but this type of person pisses me off to no end. So It's ok if I watch everything you do from piss in to morning to what time and how long and what position including pictures sound and full video of how you fuck your wife or boyfriend if your gay not saying you are just sayin. Is It ok for me to listen to everything you say on the phone? Ever think that its still just people like you and me listening to that shit. Who watches the watchers? Did you see were the guy got flagged by DHS and in his notes it showed that when he went on a trip he had a pen with a potleaf on it ? Since when is it illegal to have a pen? or a book? So If I read the next clancy book and the goverment knows I checked that book out from the library I get added to some database that went filtering for suspicious activity I now show up. Then If I have something else again could be benign against me I'm now a suspect. Think I'm being far fetched go learn about Datamining. Fucking A, Why do you live in America if you don't want the land of the free? How would you like it if your eligibility for things was determed based on what type of church you go to? What about anything else, You make a bold fucking statement back it up. Post up here all your personal info including bank statement family pics, Income reports I would also Like to put a tap on your phone lines so I can listen to it. I want to make sure your not doing anything wrong. Please also give me all of your user logins and sign these waivers I want to look at your internet traffic. If you download 1 mp3 I'm going to go ahead and turn your ass in. Don't send any emails that might be taken as antigoverment I will have to flag you. Tell me right now that you've never once in your life downloaded a single copyrighted item off the internet. I will call you a liar because I'm sure you did it on accidentally. Well If now I'm keeping tack of everything you do and I run a audit of that data I get to bust you now. You broke the law right knowingly or unknowingly. You still broke the law. So instead of what we have no we switch to a nice book that was written . 1984