Moto-Brian

Some things to note to assist in selling - what was the warranty registration date? Will be needed for the 2 year warranty. Also, the prices are a bit off. Here are the correct prices: Rearsets - $999 Windscreen - $150 Hugger - $300 Swingarm protector - $400 Fender eliminator - $329 Case Cover - $200 Also, I would move the link to the Flat position... Just helping out a potential customer... If anyone has questions, please shoot me a PM and I can assist. One of the best bikes I have ever ridden and has some unique settings to use to net the most exciting and rewarding results.

I'm not sure your point exactly. My apologies if I say the same thing... But, the fact is that there are people that go to the track and do not advance beyond a set level. Not everyone can be Advanced level ability simply because they cannot get there. Make sense? As for the race deal - nobody is racing or at race pace. Now, a racer's pace may be at 120% the ability of the guy he is passing. Close passes are normal in Advanced and should be understood that they can happen. The issue is that if a guy self evaluates himself as an advanced rider and is not ready, he can be in for a shock and overreact when passed by someone running 10 seconds a lap faster. This leads to issues... As for passing groups of guys, the same thing applies and I will revert back to the 250 example. Take a 250 and mix with three guys that should have been intermediate level group riders. Or, for the sake of fun, take the 250 guy, two "I" guys that promoted themselves up at sign up and an entry or mid pack "A" rider. Add a racer or experienced "A" rider coming up on said clump... The racer is going to be running at a pace well within his ability and nowhere near race pace. However, he comes up on the group I mentioned. The "A" rider is being patient. He is waiting on a perfect time to pass and maybe is taking longer than he should, but being polite. The two "I" level riders are all over the place. They spread out on exit because they can't see and feel more safe with a clear visual. The 250 guys is running 30 mph slower. The racer or advanced "A" rider is going to have a tough time threading through this group. But, he does and may either get awful close to someone in the group or even tangles with one. Whatever the result, the "I" guys could overreact and cause a ripple effect that goes through everyone. The fact is that there is no room for erratic behavior in ANY group. But, they learn in the Novice and "I" groups how to get better and it happens. It's just the process and everyone starts somewhere. Understood and respected. But when you get to "A", there's no room for it. If it happens, that person needs to be moved down. Simple as that. It isn't being a dick or being mean - it is just a matter of safety. Like Chuck stated - there are also guys running a lot slower, but taking what we call the optimal line. I came out of two seeing a really slow moving SV and made the decision to pass on the outside. He didn't go out to the gators between 1 and 2 so, I decided to pass outside on the gators if needed. He was literally running at least 30 mph slower and went straight for the outside on the line!!! A little hairy... Point is that had he ridden like Chuck explained and left a door open on either side, I would have been in and out fast and never caused him anything to worry about. There is never going to be a right answer to all of this at all. There are fast guys, slow guys and guys in between. That's the environment in a track day. Same with racing, really. The bottom line and end result is the idea of traffic management. Some of us are good. Some of us are too polite and some of us suck at it. Whatever the case, track days allow you to work on that aspect and gets you thinking more which is always good.

They need to get some more concrete info for the site. I'd be willing to buy into the pass deal, but it looks so shitty that I am left wondering if they will actually get opened. With an opening date or timeline that they have, they certainly ought to be getting the inside done and the karts figured out. Post what karts are going to be used, progress of the build, etc. Photoshop of the building leaves me feeling like I'd be donating the money to some bloke that is sitting in an office waiting to quit and live his life long dream of owning a karting shop. I've talked to a few guys with interest in doing an indoor karting location. This location is shit. It will get some interest at the start, but will fade and die in a few years. They need to look at somewhere like they have in Novi, MI. Next to a mall or some place like Polaris, Tuttle, Easton, etc. Walk-ins need to be pushed and in a location like they are proposing, that ain't gonna happen... As far as Minis - sounds cool, but I'd say until they get on their feet, the insurance of that idea will be a bad idea at the start. And, if they are going to be electric like most new ones, the gas powered stuff is going to cause a boost in coverage. Maybe even a different operations license needed...

They changed both the Adventure and Super Duke slightly since we first saw it in Austria in the secret labs there. The front on the Adventure was changed slightly to avoid the double fender look they had which is nice to see. They also changed the exhaust on the SD which also was smart. Both were pre production, but they are almost exactly what we saw. The SD has always been a bike I was fond of. A LOT of saddle time with the old one and I can't wait to try the new one when it arrives. I heard the Adventure was a great bike if you choose the R model. The standard has 17" wheels and makes it less aggressive off road vs. the R. But still very capable... Anyways, cool to see the new bikes we saw a couple of years ago. The 390 coming also!

But, as OSU stated and was correct about, there are a LOT of "A" riders that shouldn't be in that group. It's always been an issue until the companies started doing pace rules. Take the scenario where 4 guys go to the track. 3 are advanced riders and OK. The 4th guy is really a mid pack "I" rider. BUT, he wants to ride with his buddies. He thinks he will ride with his buddies... The buddies leave the guy and he is left running in a group well outside his ability level and gets in over his head often. Happens all the time. So, the idea is that the "A" group is able of handling the passing and level of riding as seen or believed to be seen in the "A" group. When in fact, there are several guys running at a pace they shouldn't and it becomes a safety issue. Not only on examples like the closing speeds, but when the true "A" level riders are trying to pass and believe that the rider in front of them is an "A" rider and passes as such. Only to find out that they are mid pack "I" and they tangle... It's something that has been going on forever. Happens regularly and is part of the sport. If anything, it teaches riders to manage traffic and that can be a great thing.

They state 6' like most groups do so that in your mind, you try and adhere to that policy. In other words, nobody is out there with a measuring stick gauging what distance you passed, but in your mind, if you think you are passing outside the 6' rule, you probably are still closer, but at least there was effort on your part and was probably clean. Does that make sense? It's in an effort to try and keep as much distance as possible between the riders...

Crashes are a part of the sport. Sometimes and most often, the "I" group is the group with the highest crash rates. I think a lot of the crashes in "A" group were lower ability riders. Who is to say that they were in the wrong group and wouldn't have been crashing in the "I" group and then your group lessens the time the Novices get? It's all relative... Plus, they run the schedule different than anywhere else. Typically, "I" goes first, then "A" and then Novice. Novice losing 5 minutes isn't an issue as they are learning. But, they do the Advanced first. Trust me, I have waited a ton on "I" crashes...

The groups are fine. The issue is that when you have a self evaluation system, you get guys that "think" they fit into a group when they do not. Example being the 250s used here. They are not fast enough to support that they run the Advanced group. Closing speeds being the key issue. Yes, no matter what group we discuss, you are having varied abilities combined. Intermediate is by far the most diverse group. You have new "I" riders fresh out of Novice and advanced "I" riders that need to be bumped to "A". That is a MUCH higher diversity rate than in the "A" or Novice groups. 4 groups doesn't work. The 3 groups are fine. It just needs to be adjusted at times and riders need to be less proud and listen to reason. Unfortunately, sometimes movement is prevented due to the number of riders in a group. But, I can promise that there are some that need moved up. They can be swapped. After all, even an accomplished racer on a 250 can have more fun and work traffic management better in the "I" group. In "A", they are getting bombed and hammered or frustrated at the speed differences on the straights with some bigger bikes only to be passing back in the turns. In "I" group, they are working traffic as if they were in a race scenario. It helps in the long run. No need for 4 groups. I'd go nuts for only 15 minutes a session... Bad idea.

Matt and I are talking about a big event (Hob - you will be invited) where we take Hypers and do some cool blogs of using the Hypers in every form. Ice racing in MN, fire roads, road trip, Dirt Biking them and finally, a road race course. So, we will have some Hyper Motards out there to play...

Shit, people get so butt hurt so more often than ever before. You remotely tell someone anything and they all of a sudden get all offended like you are saying they suck. People need to understand that safety is key and close passes are in the eye of the beholder. I can pass a guy like Matt or Justin and literally lean on them (Justin and I have laid on each other's fairings) and never have an issue. Pure confidence. But I pass a guy with enough room to fit another bike and he thinks I was too close. Just because the speed difference... I wouldn't worry about it, man. We will all just do our own thing. But if I get a guy that thinks I am being critical or passing too close, I will make a point to stuff him like a thanksgiving turkey and let him get a good dose of what close is...

These guys were not faster in the corners... Most the 250s were slower actually in the corners... Predictable is fine, but when you are in full tuck on the straight in the draft behind two other guys and they split off to pass a 250, it's a bit of an issue with a bike that has 150 more HP... Also, coming out on to the front straight, several of the 250 guys were somewhat in the middle of th track which normally would be fine, but again when following another rider out of say, turn 10 and the bike is on the rear wheel and all of a sudden the 250 is there, it is reallllllly hard to steer to avoid. 250s are uber cool and mucho respect, but they are like motards in terms of speed and really need to be in I Group. in fact, we were going to suggest that for the next track day as it was really scary a few times... It's all about safety and the fact that the speed differences are so huge, it is important to understand that yes, as you say - we are big boys, but the reality is that there were a lot of novices and they may judge the closing speeds a bit less and it could mean a severe issue... I know that I had several close calls down the straight and out of the Bus Stop and Turn 10.

I'd like to see whatcha got also...

I don't need to check anything... Been doing this thang in the industry a lot longer than most and most likely even you. Unless you've been doing it for over 20 years... But in any case, it is what it is. You were advertising... Simple as that, man. Not going to go roundy, round. You wanna play that game? Shoot from the hip. It would be entertaining.

Yeah, we have been discussing somehow getting a stiffer resistance spring in the throttle housing. The throttle is just too light and touchy. Also, the cam timing numbers need to be checked sometimes. If you have ANY stalling issues say, when you are coming to stop or similar, let me know. The cam timing numbers can make the thing a HOOOOOOT!

Dude! We need more background to this story!!! I gotta know!!!!!

You da man!

But, you're name is Honda East Justin, you had a banner showing Honda East and the logo used and you are asking where people get their stuff. Salesman 101... And, if you've been a member "on and off" for 6 years and only have 10 posts? Not much visitation to gauge the members and their habits or even understand who does in fact sponsor the site... Also, "you" wouldn't be a site sponsor but rather, Honda East would be. It's just kinda funny and if you're gonna get butt hurt (I sense the ass tension building as I type this) after someone was asking out of respect of the sponsors on here, you might not be representing well. We all know Honda East are the blow out, discount dealers. What's the margins at currently on major units? It's well known everywhere and you guys do a good business on accessories and parts as a result of the number of units you do push out the door. But, to play coy with the "heaven forbid" card, it looks funny from what we know about the dealership...

The helmet is hand made and due to the carbon they use, it takes about 60 days to complete. It is a pretty high scale carbon and used in F1 racing. Also, everything is painted (except the decal for Ducati/Arai) by hand also. They will also put your name on the helmet also which most do not do as it will limit the ability to sell later... Arai has the same one available without the Ducati logos. Just straight carbon... It's one of those things that shows what Arai CAN do and what technology exists and the ability to get into the hands of regular people. These are produced like the carbon F1 helmet as used by only those drivers and not the general public. We all know the cost of F1 racing and $4k plus isn't out of the norm... Wait until you hear what those steering wheels cost... It's pretty cool. If you attended the IMS shows this year, they had one at Arai and explained a lot of the process. It's a pretty spectacular lid and has things you will never find in anything else. I am not an Arai fan as to the cost vs. what protection they provide. I think they are worth the price as even now with several helmet companies doing some great things, when I put on my Arai, I am impressed. The fit and feel and the quality are pretty tough to beat. But, there are several lids that are impressive and do a great job. I run Bells right now and have been since the Star was brought out. I am a fan of Bell, but have to give it up that Arai is a pretty damn great lid also... This is just an example of technology... Simply put.

There were several of us with BLUE balls after Sunday. But, I would say that not a single person would bust your balls over not racing in the rain as your first race. Wise choice and better to get out at maybe the last Nelson round or something when it is dry. You'll learn a lot more anyways. Was a blast hanging with you for the weekend and at dinner. Fun stuff!!!

What ya wanna do is go into the dealership and ask for the black round things that go on your rims. They're pretty secretive about such things, but once in a while, you can find the black roundies available in the size you need. They stick real good and stuff.

Was cool seeing a lot of OR guys and gals out there. That CR was freakin awesome. We'd hear it every time it blasted the straight and always brought a grin to my face. Cool seeing Hob. The SP looked awesome. He was even very detailed with the tape job! Twisted and better half annoyed us all weekend. Rusty was a hoot. And the Ducati Indy guys were awesome as usual. I gotta say that Moto series was amazing today with the weather. VERY open to ideas on how to make the day work best with the rain. You don't see that elsewhere. It's typically "my way or the highway" with most. Loads of fun Saturday. A few questionable bikes in advanced. Especially the 250s. They just are so much slower. Closing speeds were insane. But, nothing crazy or dangerous. Wish today was like Saturday!!

Interesting Honda East is on asking such a question. With the banner ad essentially below in his sig, it's basically a slick way to promote the shop. Seeing that Riders and IP as well as others are paying to advertise, seems shady. The guys mentioned on this forum on a regular basis support the website as well as the sport.

It is completely fine to have your opinion and yes, what he said was totally ignorant. But, the issue I have is that it is "yet another reason" you have a hatred towards football. WTF? Really? There are people on here, at your work, in your family, in sports you do like, etc. that say stupid things. Do you hate everyone and everything because of it?

Why not go with the quick change setup instead?

Where did you all pick it up?