Todd#43

If I don't like his policies, or the people that surround him, that means I dont like him - as a person? Seriously? I don't know the man - he may be a great guy, but what he's doing to the country is WRONG. That's the problem - no one knows what the speech is about. We've already shown that the Reagan and Bush situations were different and that plenty of people had problems with them. The birth certificate thing? Yeah, I've seen it. It really looks like one from the 60's - its even all computerized and stuff Lets see...firing the CEO of a company, then taking over that company and giving half of it to the unions, a self avowed communist and radical as a top adviser, single payer private option for health care...that ought to cover the things that he's "truly fucking up" and definitely shows a socialist/marxist/maoist tendency that the gov't knows whats best. I think I have a pretty good grip - and your leash ought to be a little bit shorter.

And the meat of what was posted on Michelle Malkin's site was quoted from other sites as well. Skip the opinion part if you dont like it. How did the kool-aid taste? Do you have to drink it every day, or is it a one time thing?

If you're referring to him citing KOS and other leftwing blog sites as "Decent Sources" you're out of your mind. If you were paying attention, I said that was the FIRST thing I saw regarding the "speech". Nothing I saw in the "mainstream media" that changed my mind about it. Oh yeah...the word you're looking for is SHILL, not shrill.

Thank you Comrade. The party is pleased by your loyalty. Can you get any further left than Kos???

Absolutely - we deal with things as they relate to our children differently. No big deal. That "difference" doesn't make either one of us bad parents, nor should cause either one of us to "re-evalute" our parenting skills. Yeah, there's a slight difference, but not much. Morals, values and ideals - political and social are best taught in the home. Although kids get some of that stuff from school that's not why I send them there. No, I don't get a full transcript, but I do know what they're being taught, and by whom. I'm active in what goes on in the school, because I feel that's my responsibility as a parent. If there were something in the curriculum that I didnt like you bet your ass I'd speak up about it. Do you people really think I'm only like that on here?? News isn't news anymore. Its all op-ed bullshit designed by the "media" to sell advertising. You have to filter through a lot of shit to get to the facts. If you're diligent, at the end of the day you can toss out the chaff and pick up the wheat. You certainly cant take anything at face value. I'm not going to get into all the spin that occurred during the last administration. You can pretty much look at anything JRMiii has had to say about it and go from there. As far as that goes this is what I first read about the "speech" http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/01/obamas-sept-8-speech-to-schoolchildren/ After seeing this, I dug around a little more and couldnt really find anything that made me "feel good" about this opportunity. Again, if it turns out that the speech will actually be your typical "stay in school" etc., etc I have no problem with it, but I dont really need it to take away from real classroom time. My kid already knows that.

When you can answer the question that I asked, I'll be happy to bang out the conservative response to your marxist rant. Until then, I'd rather discuss this topic with someone that has more sense than my dining room table.

I don't think its paranoid at all. Whether you like it or not, on some level you ARE judged by the company you keep. I know several people that I have NO DOUBT about their character (good as well as bad) based on their actions and the people they surround themselves with. I never once said that I hide my kids from anything. That said, there are some things that I want them to see, hear, and experience WITH me as opposed to a teacher or someone else. Political discussions happen on a nearly daily basis around our dinner table. This happens no matter who the president is. Sometimes they agree with me, sometimes they dont. Most of the time both sides of the coin are presented. Again, we're dealing with opinions here. I am no fan of Obama's. I cant point to one thing that he's done as president that would change my mind. Maybe that will change, but I have serious doubts about that. His push for bigger government, the public option in health care, taking over a company ARE socialist moves. What do you see those as? If you don't want to know "what" is being said to your kids, and would rather deal with it after the fact that's your business. Personally, I'd rather know before hand. From my point of view it makes the inevitable questions easier to deal with. As far as spin goes, did you find it incredibly amusing when the left-leaning media tried to "spin" everything Bush or Cheney did? Did you chuckle when the media tried to micromanage everything that administration did? Based on the pre-released "lesson plan", I really don't know how you got the idea that it was a stay in school, do well kind of message. I know I certainly didn't.

Yes, I realize that he's the president of the United States. I also realize that he has surrounded himself with people of questionable character and intent. That fact alone makes me wary of any "message" he might have for school aged children. Ok, we see our job as parents differently. Does that make me wrong, and you right? If you're raising your kids catholic, and I'm raising my kids as jewish does that make either one of us wrong? No, as parents its OUR responsibility to raise our children as we see fit. If you want your kids to hear the speech in school, cool. I have no problem with your choice. Again, for reasons I've already mentioned I do believe that he is at worst a communist and at best really a democrat with socialist tendencies. I can't comment as to the content of the planned speech because, well, we don't know what it is. Until all the screaming began there was no plan to release the text prior to the speech. IF (and my oinion is its a mighty big IF) the message is "stay in school, do well, make something of yourself" I have no problem with it on a personal level. Way to avoid the question. Well, that settles it. You didn't find it, it must be bullshit Ok, so Bush fired some attorneys. What does that have to do with the government takeover of a company? What does that have to do with an avowed communist being an advisor to the sitting president? What does that have to do with flying the PRC flag over the white house? That's right my decision. My kids are MY responsibility. My kids are only 14 and 12, and I'm no where near DONE raising them. Like all kids that age they have a LOT to learn, and as a parent I will instill my values into them. Thats my job. In time, I'm sure they will form their own opinions about a wide variety of subjects. Some will match mine, some wont. That's the way it goes. Why do you care anyway? Is it because you're afraid they'll grow up and and see through the bullshit offered by people like you?

He's going to release the speech Monday. Previously, the speech wasn't going to be released. Do you really think that it would have been released if "concerned parents" didn't raise a stink? You can't find any documentation to back up your opinion, so you're calling bullshit? Jesus-titty-fucking-christ. Who the fuck are you? The be-all, end-all of internet research? Hey everyone - JRMMiii can't find it on one of his left wing blog sites or in the MSM it must not be fucking real. Gimme a break. The differences are still there. When slightly similar situations happened with Republican presidents the Democrats had a stroke (Dick Gepheart during Bush I), so dont tell me it didn't happen. I also don't remember Reagan, or either of the Bushes having a communist or terrorist advisor. I don't remember any Republican firing the CEO of a Company. I don't remember a Republican taking over a company and giving half of it to a union, and I don't remember a Republican flying the flag of a communist country over the white house. In the end, if I want my kids to hear what Barack Hussein Obama has to say, its MY decision to allow it, or disallow it. Much the same as with an R rated movie or an M rated video game - MY decision. Not your's, not the school's, and not the NEA. Personally if my son or daughter want to hear it I have no problem letting them hear it - with me present to act as a buffer and give them the answers to any questions they may have.

Sorry you're so confused. I'll type real slow - try to keep up. Your first statement has NO BASIS IN FACT. Its your OPINION. You offer your opinion like its gospel, then disparage another for offering his opinion. So, if opinions dont matter, please provide some supporting facts that say because someone doesnt want their child listening to a speech of unknown content from a guy they already know plenty about they are a bad parent, or that they need to re-evaluate their parenting skills?

Thats what I said Rly.... When Reagan did it, everyone knew in advance what he was going to talk about. He took questions from four different schools and the response to those questions was broadcast on C-Span. How is this the same? Oh that's right, it isn't.

Please see the "reasons" above.

That's the problem, the "speech" hasn't been released and wasn't going to be released prior to the event. There are a couple of books that were "suggested reading prior to the speech: http://www.puma08.com/2009/09/02/sept-8th-here-are-two-of-the-books-on-obama-your-kids-are-expected-to-read/ Fortunately, due to all the flap over this it will be released Monday. By the way, he IS the first president to make this type of entry into the public schools.

WTF do you think it means? Yes, I'm sure that as a child you had complete knowledge of right and wrong, good and bad, etc. I guess your parents had NO influence on who or what you are today? Great job raising yourself. By the way, I'm not here to get you to "buy into my argument". If you live long enough to be a parent (not a sperm donor) I'm sure you'll be singing a different tune. And my opinion is that since you don't have children your observations are worthless. Has nothing to do with you as a person. So, because the "danger" isn't clear, present, and immediate I shouldn't exercise my duty as a parent and keep my child from it? Again, show me a grade school aged child that has learned how to think critically about ANYTHING. How critical was your thinking when you were 10 or 12? The real bottom line is this - the party of "choice" in female reproductive issues thinks that I should have no "choice" to keep MY children from hearing the speech without having me as a buffer. THAT is bullshit.

If that's what you believe, your level of maturity is far lower than I thought. There's a big difference between being a sperm donor and being a parent.

You're right - its not nuclear winter. Its about MY kids. I'm pretty sure that you and fusion have absolutely NO idea what that means. I think if you ask most people that know me, I'm a pretty good parent. I'd even bet that my kids would agree. For the record, I keep my kids from being exposed to all sorts of things that I dont approve of. ITS MY JOB AS A PARENT! If subscribed to your theory, I probably ought to take my son down to a crack house so he can experience that little slice of Americana. I send my kids to school to learn concrete things - science, math, history, proper use of the English language. Social commentary and moral values come from the home - not from the school, and certainly not from someone who's values dont match mine. Quite frankly, someone who has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT ITS LIKE BEING A PARENT has no business whatsoever telling ME how to be one.

Not busting balls or anything, but I notice there are a lot of people that like to tell you how and what to do with kids even when they dont have them. No Sam, no one knows the topic of the speech. What IS known is that the White House has offered a "lesson plan" for before and after the speech. However, due to the public outrage over this they are supposed to be releasing the full text of the speech on Monday. Honestly, if it was a typical "stay in school, study hard, etc., etc.," speech I believe they would have released the text when it was announced. Honestly, if you look at this presidency so far, I dont think you can be too sure of anything being "normal". We have the government and a major union owning what was once a private company, we have cabinet positions unfilled while we have more "czars" than the Romanov Dynasty (at least one of whom is an avowed communists), and a president that doesn't seem to know what is and isn't in "his" health care plan. Normal, typical...not even close

Just wondering.... How many of you weighing in on this topic actually have kids?

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Real Liberals: Today we'll take the finger, tomorrow the whole hand. Cindy Sheehan to the white courtesy phone for a message....Cindy Sheehan to the white courtesy phone for a message, please.....

I wonder if PETA knows the moveon.org people are eating meat?

I still say with that B&W suit it looks like two zebra's fucking...

Show me where the $780 BILLION went, and then show me the amounts that each recipient has paid back, then add in all the administrative costs, as well as the cost of funds for that period of time and we'll talk about "profit". Until then, it didnt happen.

Wait....ummm...we "spent" $780 BILLION and got $784 BILLION back? No...wait....we got "about" $4 billion back. You're still $780 Billion short. Sorry...not a profit.