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Columbine had an armed guard...

You keep drinking that koolaid

So, you're NOT in favor of reducing gun violence and crime? Got it.

Quite the contrary, what I have read is the NRA explicitly mocked the COPS portion of the bill which really had nothing to do with guns. I could understand if they didn't agree with the AWB, but then to go through and mock portions that are non-weapons related just shows it's all a political game. I understand that a lot of bills have additional "stuff" attached to them, but they went out of their way to mock the COPS part of it to score political points because it was a Dem in the Whitehouse. Now all of a sudden, because it's the NRAs idea now, the basic premise of the COPS program is a good idea and they can be hypocritical to score more political points by saying "Obama cut the 'Secure our Schools' funding -- for shame you silly Democrat". Please Again, I haven't broached the discussion about the effectiveness of the bill, just that it had a noble and good goal of trying to address gun violence and crime... which, regardless of your political affiliation, you should agree with the goal, no? The approach to attain the goal is under debate depending on your political stance and information YOU think is correct, but the goal is noble. As with the individual mandate in Obamacare, which was a GOP idea back in the 90s, which is all of a sudden a horrible idea because it was a Dem compromise... it's the exact opposite for NRA (which has a predominantly GOP base, lets be honest) which proposes additional community/school policing. It's a good idea because the NRA proposed it, but was a dumb idea 18yrs ago because a Dem wanted it. So, my only real point is that the NRA is full of political lies just like many other organizations that are agenda-related in nature, so for people to start jock-riding the NRA for this latest press release is silly. By all means, if you like the NRA and everything it stands and has always stood for, great -- whatever floats your Kimbers, but this press release shouldn't be seen as anything uber-enlightening to people.

So, why mention the "Secure our schools" initiative NOW, when they opposed it "some 18 years ago"? The NRA didn't say -- we don't like the AWB, but do like the COPS program... they were all or nothing. Just like I'd expect the Dems to be with Tonik's hypothetical. Though, I don't see how abortion relates to the fiscal cliff. More community policing relates to reduced gun violence and crime which was the main goal of the AWB, right? So, that makes more sense.

Those discrepancies become pretty important when the NRA is basing the foundation of their reasoning for action on them. I think the most telling was

And of course after reading the 13pg PDF of the transcript and letting LaPierre get his political and "factual" potshots in for things. Some of the accusations are lacking definition, so -- time to go fact checking. http://news.yahoo.com/fact-checking-nra-press-conference-185542748.html http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/12/fact-checking-nra-press-conference/60261/ As I suspected.

I didn't see the NRA conference because this was happening while it was going on... http://www.wjactv.com/news/news/sources-1-trooper-shot-another-injured-blair-co/nTcf5/

So, how do you account for irresponsible store owners? http://www.wfsb.com/story/20396452/east-windsor-gun-store-under-fire-after-man-caught-stealing-rifle?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=8090780

Of course, you're speaking from the receiving end of that.

I never wanted to ban them, I just think we need to get the high capacity ones under control.

Spray them w/ your venomous vagina juice. Duh.

Baked in a buttery FLAKY crust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrQ9ilL8aw

I think the name calling is necessary.. lest there some pent up rage that doesn't get vented and swingset goes postal. You alone Magz are keeping swingset from becoming one of those unhinged "gun nuts" by allowed him to throw insults your way. If you expect civilized discourse, it might end in tragedy because his emotions cannot be checked. And I'm willing to let you bear that cross (you're welcome?) if it means keeping swingsets mental health in the 'sane' range.

Here redkow... http://gawker.com/5969532/the-insane-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theories-that-are-already-flooding-facebook-and-twitter That summarizes the few conspiracy theories that've been floated so far.. including the one referenced in the OP.

I'm sure that breakdown is available... and I think it's already been discussed that suicides account for the majority of gun deaths (or at least > than the number of homicides - which would include defensive justified homicide) But thats why the chart says Gun Deaths... it's factually correct per the words used. It's on the people to interpret or ask additional questions to ferret out additional relevant information.

But it's not like any lessons are learned when you pop a crackhead, or a drunk, or someone in a psychologically altered state... they won't remember that they were fractions of a second away from death. So, why not...

This makes me a cold blooded killer. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/JRMMiii/stats/303508079/xbox/ j/k - I just wanted an excuse to post my BF3 stats in a relevant conversation. I should get an achievement for that.

That'd be my first instinct too... fire off as many rounds as possible at a moving target carrying a child.

Funny... someone at Bloomberg was wondering that same thing. American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html

Then he would be just as right as me. It is a hoax. Toniks link was updated saying such.

Preach.

Who proposed erosion of liberties? That article just shows how MORE GUNS isn't a solution, conservative.

I'm calling hoax and raising the BS flag.

The answer is not more guns