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Some of you do realize that just a lot of the jobs lost at your personal places of employment aren't ever being replaced right? But there are other new industries that are creating jobs that have never existed before. The whole "winds of change" thing. I'm sure it was all doom and gloom at the typewriter factories when word processors came out too.

You sure the guy just didn't have a sudden uncontrollable urge to do the Humpty Dance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj9_yW8tZxs

I too am worried about my outer labia freezing to my inner thigh and I just don't have a good time when that happens. Thus, I will have to refrain from this ride.

http://gawker.com/5949226/mitt-romney-reverses-course-on-47-percent-remarks-just-completely-wrong http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/romneys-successful-debate-plan-lying.html

Jussayin' there's options: http://gawker.com/5948700/jetblue-if-your-candidate-loses-we-can-help-you-leave-the-country-for-free

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/03/fact-checking-the-debate/1612241/

Just print more money?

/Thread The guy with the dog humping something has spoken and shall be taken seriously! :sternface: (In before "pot meet kettle" irony called out on my avatar)

Oh yea? How rapidly to do think the other automakers could've increased capacity to make up for nearly 30% of the market share that GM and Chrysler left behind (Approx. 3.2 Million vehicles)? And that's using 2012 numbers which means they had even more market share before the collapse. http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html#autosalesE Which, put in perspective, means that Toyota would have to double capacity to fill that gap if Toyota were to do it alone. Obviously, Toyota wouldn't be the only one filling that gap, but even increasing the capacity 20% is damn near impossible in any short period of time given the lean manufacturing setups most of the OEs are running, along with getting suppliers onboard for long lead time parts. (Any IEs on here want to chime in?) So I raise the BS flag that it would've been "no big deal" for the rest to fill the gap. I have a pretty decent network of classmates and colleagues that are in the industry given the college I went to so: TRW, Bosch, Honda, GM, Freightliner, Ford, Lear, and many other Tier 1 and Tier 2 suppliers to the commercial and pass. car markets. Why do you feel had little effect on the global market? Chysler and GM are both global companies that happen to be HQ'd in America. Which, may and may not give them distinct advantages or disadvantages to respond to the market at a given pace. E.g. Is it still a level playing field when BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, and Honda all don't have to worry about healthcare for their employees like the American companies do? That was the big beef for GM earlier was it not? They have to take $1500 right off the top of every car sale to pay for their American workers to have healthcare when the other carmakers don't. That's just one difference that turns out to be a disadvantage, but the point being that the market is already manipulated on a global scale based on other gov't rules and regs outside the US.

So, a stronger industry would've been made from less competition? Are you sure? That's not the firsthand information I'm getting from colleagues at the OEs or the information I've observed working in the industry. Ok, so we agree there -- there's a line that had to be walked, but your contention is it did more harm than good, and mine is the opposite. I guess we'll never know since your ideology wasn't pursued and what was pursued seems to be working, albeit not as fast as others' would like. So, this is like the Chinese currency devaluation issue. You don't want our gov't manipulating the marketspace of a GLOBAL market that other gov'ts are already manipulating in the same manner?

If you can't take the heat, quit posting sh*t online from the kitchen. I'd think that the article doesn't really come as a shock to anyone here, but in my humble opinion, the first one to get use the "block" or "defriend" function over someone else's thoughts and opinions (no matter how wrong they are perceived to be) has the weaker mind. Similar to here and in Facebook -- feel free to share whatever floats your boat, but given the fact that you're SHARING it means you need to accept whatever positive or negative consequences of sharing it may come your way. For example: http://www.ohioriders.net/showthread.php?t=98525 I really didn't have anything negative to say about it/her/the effort, except that particular 'stipulation' didn't sit well with me. If you want a selective audience that will be nothing but 100% supportive of your thoughts, views, accomplishments -- then don't share it publicly. Otherwise, you need to accept the risk of getting the good with the bad. And need to "be the bigger man" to deal with the people, or trolls, or naysayers that don't share your opinions.

Yes, it would've collapsed for various reasons, but the main driver for it to collapse is because of the supplier-model. I can get into the real nitty gritty if you want to go that far, but I'll stop high-level for now. Funny you mention Ford and their practical business model... since GM's been outperforming it. And Ford also was extended a line of credit from the Gov't. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2012/09/30/gms-3q-stock-rise/1601293/ Probably not, but he was a key player in it. I still don't understand why people are so pissed about the auto bailout, when it's 10% of what Wall Street was, and Wall Street doesn't MAKE anything tangible. I've never seen a hedge fund move you and your family safely across the country in comfort in a tiny metal box containing controlled explosions. I've never seen an IPO that can pull a trailer full of motorcycles to a trackday. I've never seen an annuity build a tank to defend our country.

Who is Patton? The guy's name is Patmon. And per this map: http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2011/12/ohio_house_and_ohio_senate_dis.html District 10 isn't the "bad part" of Cleveland ... it IS Cleveland (Rock Hall, Burke Lakefront, Westside market, Browns Stadium). So, unless you were crackin' wise on Cleveland itself being ALL bad, he's not from the bad part of Cleveland. And as far as being a "failure" -- it's his first term, so what exactly are you judging him being a failure on, aside from him introducing HB595 as mentioned in this thread? Please educate me, unless you're just hopping on the bandwagon to pile on without doing your homework?

I wrote to Mr. Patmon. I wonder what response I'll get. Think he'll come out and admit to the dog and pony show? I sent the letter before I realized that "unacted upon the legislation will expire on 12/31".

5mi in 41:49 today on my lunch break. I'm 220lbs. *Documenting this so when I log back on 10 years from now I can see how much I've deteriorated.

Really? Even before I had a CHL -- my loud pot-stirring mouth, I've never felt the need for things to come to fisticuffs. I've always laughed it off and walked away My ego has a pretty tough outer shell, it's pretty hard to crack it no matter what words you say.

But I already have one girl bike, so adding another makes parts and maintenace that much easier to shop for.

You guys do drive a hard bargain. I'm still debating whether I want a 600 or an SV650. I'm too cheap to run w/ the "moneybag" crew. But it sounds like Hob's bike is the bitches titties, so someone will soonly buy it.

Positive thoughts Kev.

Price is right... if it only had a title...

This is how I know the review is fake. Bump for Paul.

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Why so serious?