magley64

You're the one who can't face the world without a bunch of lead courage in your pocket... who's afraid now? Oh right, the guy who thinks guns are unnecessary in a civilized society, and doesn't need one attached to his hip every second of every day...THAT is the one who is afraid... THAT is the one playing the emotion card... We get it, You're afraid of the big scary boogie man, and you aren't confident enough in yourself to handle a situation that might go sour... I get it man, the world is a scary place, go buy yourself a volvo, and hide under your bed.

lol

You say this, but I honestly doubt it... You're going to be minding your own business, see someone else minding their own business, stalk them, and chase them down? I gotta give you a little more credit than that man... Zimmerman COULD be the same as holmes, Both are yet to stand trial... If the story he told police is completely bogus, and instead he racially profiled a black kid in a hoodie, stalked him, and finally shot him before coming up with a self defense story and cracking his own head against the pavement then NO, they are no different. now you're just soapboxing...

sourcing parts? fixing? welcome to the 21'st century Mr. 1955, you toss it in a dumpster, and buy a better one, preferably bigger, too...

I'm not trolling, trolling is saying something just to make you mad... what I'm trying to do is get you to think... if I just wanted to make you mad, I could find easier ways... Think about it for a second, figure out what the important factors are, and either reverse or reinforce your position, but have a better understanding of why you've taken that position in the first place. As opposed to what Swingset seems to think, this isn't emotional extortion, it's far more intellectual than that. Now I'm not saying you're not allowed to get mad about it, or you're wrong for being upset. I'm just trying to get to the "why" and then get you to transpose yourself into other people's positions, and see things from another perspective.

Just because something is common, doesn't mean it's correct... I do try very hard to remain skeptical to anything that is being spoonfed to the masses. Thank you for that. Not quite sure what you mean by this, Please elaborate. I don't need guns because I don't feel I'm in danger of being murdered. If i were afraid of being murdered, I'd probably be carrying a gun...

ahh, i love a good zinger...

yes, but the majority of these people have already made that decision, based only on what the media has told them so far... I just want to know where the justification comes from, a phantom reality that never happened, or because of the alleged murderer's belief of "what might have happened"...

So the reason Zimmerman killed martin was because he believed in his head that martin was trying to kill him? How can you know that? or If zimmerman hadn't killed martin, martin would've killed zimmerman? Do you have a parallel universe generator? Which is it? Was Z justified in shooting M because he "believed" his life was in danger? or Was Z justified in shooting M because of an outcome that never came to pass, and that we will never know would have came to pass?

No? Okay again, allegedly... Why are you such a proponent of the 2nd amendment, and not give a damn about the 6th? so get a conviction I'm not asserting anything, other than the FACT that he hasn't been convicted of anything, and the only information you have is from the media which you CONSTANTLY label as "biased" and "unreliable". I think we both know I'm not stupid, but if you want to play the name calling game, go right ahead. My original post in this thread was to get a little bit of an emotional reaction, as well as get people to honestly think about their positions...So one murder suspect is a hero, the other is a monster, both killed unarmed people who were minding their own business...

I'd agree with most of this...REP! Edit: perhaps a little off on the "why", but maybe I don't fully understand myself either...

I don't think so, you suggested that it doesn't matter at all what was going on in someone's head, yet you claim to know that Holmes premeditated murder... contadiction city if you ask me, but what do I know? I'm just afraid...

I take it you have doubts that Zimmerman shot and killed martin...

oh no he didnt... LOL

oh, cause your own words don't support your original claim, "I've gone retard" got it... smells like... cop out

you've explained nothing, you've asserted plenty... I'm willing to bet you're 10 times more "emotional" than I am. I'm not the type that makes "emotional" arguments, you are. You're the one who keeps invoking emotional pleas into your arguments. "should my old grandma be forced to deal with a punk, what about women and children?" blah blah blah all emotional pleas... Great job with the projection though, I think we both know you're the fearful one, justified or not.

preparation vs. premeditation Did you buy your gun just so you could use it to shoot someone? How do we know unless we take your mental state into account? I was "preparing" to crash a car... whether I intended to crash a car or not depends upon my mental state, but your argument is that it doesn't matter what my mental state is, only my actions, so anyone who buys insurance is premeditating to crash their car...

Could be, He said it didn't matter what was inside your head (your intentions/beliefs/etc...), just the actions that count... I could have bought insurance just so I could ram my car into something and be able to afford another car (in my case I hate my car, and it's worth double totalled what I could get out of it if I sold it)

I didn't say he was... you're the one making concrete claims, so you're the one with the burden of proof... All I'm saying is that you were NOT there, you have no idea what happened outside of what the media is feeding you. what's the difference between premeditation, and preparation?

I find this amusing... what emotion? What fear? please elaborate... Am i afraid of holmes getting convicted of murder and getting the death penalty? or am I afraid that he won't... I'm getting all emotional over here

I made no such judgement, I was simply commenting on the OP's stance that nobody should support an alleged murderer, when he himself has shown support for an alleged murderer... maybe you're paranoid, I'm no psychiatrist, but paranoia can build gradually...then again, maybe you're not...not for me to judge. you're positive of this? you were there? I don't think anything, but then I don't claim to have all the facts or all the answers... I'm just open to possibilities if someone can provide evidence to prove it... The difference? Yeah, I see plenty of differences...but there is one key similarity, both are alleged murderers... I'm not standing up for either one, I'm actually standing against both. Both are alleged murderers, both will stand trial, that's the right way to handle this... tell them what? hmmm?

on the other hand, I loved all the extras the PO put on my bike... I wouldn't change a thing, but then I didn't pay extra for any of them either.

in gold AND silver... but we're holding our own in being third...

I'm going to make an assumption, correct me if I'm wrong, but you've got ZERO first hand experience with mental illness... Also, I find it quite amusing that you used the word "paranoid" considering how heavily armed you seem to be. So sir, please tell me what is "real"... Which is REALLY the better flavor, vanilla or chocolate? What is the REAL religion? Everyone doesn't experience the world in the same way, even if they are in the same place. Your mind can play tricks on you, sometimes these are small tricks, and sometimes they are big tricks, but it doesn't make them any less real to you... So please explain the deference between a "real" self defense scenario and "perceived" self defense scenario without the virtue of time travel to see if the defender would've actually died...

This would take a long drawn out thought experiment, and require a great deal of research that quite frankly, I don't have time for. Your brain is EVERYTHING, your morality, your aggression, your compassion, your entire life experience. If those synopses misfire, or there is a chemical imbalance there, your entire world can change, you could suddenly be in a place where everyone is out to kill you, and you feel the need to arm yourself to the teeth to survive...and that is "reality" to you. I don't think anyone understands the human brain well enough yet. Not that I'm saying, even if this is true for him, that he should be allowed to live... I personally feel that we "save" far too many people on this planet, and it is weakening "us" as a species...but that is a different discussion altogether. my only point was that you have 2 alleged murderers, with possibly the same motive (in their brain) and it seems impossible that someone would support one when you yourself support the other... there must be some sort of cognitive dissonance...