I wasn't trying to cause drama,(my apologies if it came off that way) I was just looking for little bikes for the S.O. and there are dozens of 08,09,10,11 gz 250's laying around unsold... maybe it's not indicative of the rest of their line, but there are tons of these little things around, once i find one for some pocket lint i'll grab her one. thanks for answering my question though.