wow, and I thought this thread died 4 months ago.... Copper, slow your roll brother. Not everyone that rides a sportbike is a HD hating ass hat, and not everyone that rides a HD is doing it to be part of some exclusive club. There's no denying what HD did for motorcycle riding, both positive and some negative. The fact remains that HD remains a slave to the endangered species of riders. HD has a long track record of choosing image over form or function. They started to turn the corner w/that when they introduced the VROD, which was mocked and still is by many many traditional air cooled HD loyalists. Not sure what those dinosaurs are gonna due when the 2010 models of the glides are released w/the VROD engine. Yup, that's right, the beloved air cooled cult is stepping into the 21st century beginning in 2010.. More importantly, you can't hate all sportbike riders because a few are total dick heads. I've ridden w/quite a few sportbike riders on this forum, and was never treated with anything less than respect. Of course I give them nothing but respect as well. Guess you get out of people what you put out. If you keep spewing piss and vinegar towards the sportbike crowd, you're gonna keep getting it in return. At least take time to meet and greet a few of the fuktards here before you make up your mind to damn them all.