Getting a title from bill of sale.

[ridenaked]

I've been looking in to dirt bikes and hardly any for sale have titles. Does any one know how hard it is to file for a title from bill of sale?

[Tpoppa]

Not sure if it's different for a dirtbike, but for a street bike it isn't even worth trying.

[redkow97]

  On 3/22/2014 at 7:14 PM, Tpoppa said:

Not sure if it's different for a dirtbike, but for a street bike it isn't even worth trying.

 

Yep.  I was going to say "virtually impossible."  At least in Ohio.

 

Other states have more permissive title laws.  If you have a friend or relative in one of those states, and you trust that person not to screw you, it can be done.

 

In simple terms, you would have to find a state that will issue a title from a bill of sale, and then 'sell' to someone in that state.  they would get the title issued to them, and then sell it back to you for the same price.  Then you're just going to need a VIN inspection to transfer an out-of-state title.

 

If you want to get the  bike street-legal, then you also need a vechile inspection, to prove that it has a horn, brake and head lights, turn signals, etc.  But all that would come after the title transfer steps above.

[redkow97]

It's also worth noting that different people at the BMV have different opinions on certain things..

 

I know i have seen situations where one person at one location wouldn't accept something, but another person at another title agency accepted it without issue. 

[Bad324]

Don't do it. You'll only drive yourself crazy taking to DMV people and getting different answers every time

[shadyone]

The above is all Ive found also. Almost Impossible to do. though a few lucky people have gotten them to go through. I even got the VIN cleared as not stolen and I still couldn't get them to do it. which makes no sense because they would receive more money from me if I could. 

[ridenaked]

Sounds like a pain in the ass any one know states that are easy. Maybe PA???

[redkow97]

Louisiana seems to come to mind, but I can't finger why...

[Bad324]

  On 3/22/2014 at 9:52 PM, ridenaked said:

Sounds like a pain in the ass any one know states that are easy. Maybe PA???

Don't have any experience but guessing with their inspection situation it's even harder there. I could be totally off base though

[magley64]

Georgia is easy

[ridenaked]

Any one know how to get a vin checked or cleared?

[egobuster1]

I've heard of people doing this kind of thing through Georgia

[magley64]

  On 4/23/2014 at 1:02 PM, egobuster1 said:

I've heard of people doing this kind of thing through Georgia

 

 

as have I, but then you're probably better off going to the DMV and having a homebuilt title issued in this case.

[MidgetTodd]

  On 3/22/2014 at 9:26 PM, redkow97 said:

 

If you want to get the  bike street-legal, then you also need a vechile inspection, to prove that it has a horn, brake and head lights, turn signals, etc.  But all that would come after the title transfer steps above.

Wrong. There is no inspection. You simply sign a form at the bmv saying you did those things. They do not inspect. I've done this to every off road bike I've ever owned. Just did again last week to both my OMRL bikes as well. They inspect nothing, they just have you sign the paper.

As for title. You go to your county court house and provide copies of the bill of sale and a statement as to why you need a title issued ie lost, mechanics lien, never been titled etc with a petition for title form and wait about 30 days. The court verifies receipt or bill of sale and vin history. If clean and valid reasoning they issue you a form to take to bmv along with a vin inspection form to get title. As long as not stolen and they find no objection from previous registered owner, if any, you will get title. Just takes 30-45 days and fees.

[Casper]

Left column is what you need: http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/registration_titling_apv_usv.stm

[egobuster1]

well according to that link there a notarized bill of sale is all you would need. that seems easy enough

[Casper]

  On 4/23/2014 at 1:53 PM, egobuster1 said:

well according to that link there a notarized bill of sale is all you would need. that seems easy enough

I think it's one from the top and two from the bottom. Not sure though.

[TSB67]

  On 4/23/2014 at 1:53 PM, egobuster1 said:

well according to that link there a notarized bill of sale is all you would need. that seems easy enough

 

I'll tell you one thing for sure - that notarized bill of sale cannot be from an Ohio resident.  They will insist another Ohio resident titles the bike before selling it.

 

Basically, suckers who buy bikes without titles in Ohio get stuck with them until they find another sucker to dump it on.

[Casper]

  On 4/24/2014 at 12:04 AM, TSB67 said:

I'll tell you one thing for sure - that notarized bill of sale cannot be from an Ohio resident. They will insist another Ohio resident titles the bike before selling it.

Basically, suckers who buy bikes without titles in Ohio get stuck with them until they find another sucker to dump it on.

Street bike maybe. Dirtbikes are a different story. I just did one. Took an hour.

[egobuster1]

  On 4/24/2014 at 12:28 AM, Casper said:

Street bike maybe. Dirtbikes are a different story. I just did one. Took an hour.

 

you should explain more in depth of the process of what you did for future reference  

[Casper]

  On 4/24/2014 at 2:20 AM, egobuster1 said:

you should explain more in depth of the process of what you did for future reference  

 

I posted the link with the required info. 

 

http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/registration_titling_apv_usv.stm

 

 

  Quote

All-Purpose Vehicles (APVs), Off-Road Motorcycles, and Snowmobiles

 

Listed below are acceptable types of evidence that may be used by the Clerk of Courts of Common Pleas Title Offices for title issuance on APVs and Off-Road Motorcycles.

 

One of the following:

Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin or Importer's Certificate of Origin;

Another jurisdiction's certificate of title in applicant's name, or assigned to Ohio resident;

A current or expired registration issued by Ohio or any other jurisdiction;

A notarized bill of sale;

A current insurance policy or declaration page that describes the vehicle by vehicle identification number (VIN), year, make, model, and issued to the applicant in this or another state;

A warranty order in applicant's name that describes the vehicle by VIN, year, make, and model;

A security agreement that lists the owner, lender, VIN, year, and make.

 

Two or more of the following:

A required out-of-state inspection obtained from a Deputy Registrar license agency;

A sworn, notarized affidavit declaring ownership of the vehicle by the applicant;

A sworn, notarized affidavit by other persons attesting to applicant's ownership;

Receipts in applicant's name from the purchase of parts or components;

Photographs and or pencil tracings of the VIN.

[ShawnR]

I had success with this just today.

 

 I have had an 85 Yamaha IT200 for probably 12 years. Went to the local title office (Mt. Gilead) with a picture of the VIN. I had to sign an affidavit and since the bike had never been titled, they issued me one on the spot. Note that I have tried this in Delaware county and they told me "no chance". At least now I have to option to ride at Wayne and eventually sell it and have a title.

 

The value of the bike is only about $400 so it isn't a big deal, but I feel better having one.

 

[shadyone]

Might have to make a trip to Mt Gilead.