what Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 https://www.visordown.com/news/new-bikes/all-new-2020-honda-cbr1000rr-r-sp-overview-full-specs Looks like Honda decided to finally try to be competitive in WSBK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Hopefully they didn't let marc dictate how it handles lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 With all those driver aids he will start winning again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Ok the above was written with Rossi in mind. Wrong driver and wrong bike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 RC213V inspired engine? still an inline-four sharing the same bore and stroke as the RC213V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaDoc Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Finally Honda decided to conform to the market and not be stubborn and keep making stuff according to their whims and fancy. now this bike again will be a failure if they gonna slap on 18+ price range To it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mello dude Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, NinjaDoc said: Finally Honda decided to conform to the market and not be stubborn and keep making stuff according to their whims and fancy. now this bike again will be a failure if they gonna slap on 18+ price range To it. What is the base price on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaDoc Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Not released yet I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 This thread is so old. The 2021 rr-r pirate sp is now being released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 8 hours ago, NinjaDoc said: Finally Honda decided to conform to the market and not be stubborn and keep making stuff according to their whims and fancy. now this bike again will be a failure if they gonna slap on 18+ price range To it. And that's been Honda's problem for the last 10 years. They don't build what riders want, they build what they want riders to want. They are a generation behind on features, and a generation ahead on price. Hondas are generally well sorted and fun to ride, but there have been so many models that sat in showrooms until they were deeply discounted. There are still a decent amount of brand new 2014 CTX1300s sitting in showrooms. 2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaDoc Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Exactly Vfr 1200x still sits . don’t get me wrong these are good machines but the times are golden in motorcycling world and simply good doesn’t cut any more, great bikes are available at same price. This is the first one where pound to pound Honda made something that matches or exceeds the competition. if pricing is right it’s gonna be a hit. the only place where Honda runs away with success is the gold wing area where they just don’t have any viable comparable competition I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 36 minutes ago, NinjaDoc said: Exactly Vfr 1200x still sits . don’t get me wrong these are good machines but the times are golden in motorcycling world and simply good doesn’t cut any more, great bikes are available at same price. This is the first one where pound to pound Honda made something that matches or exceeds the competition. if pricing is right it’s gonna be a hit. the only place where Honda runs away with success is the gold wing area where they just don’t have any viable comparable competition I think. The Wing is finally a contender. It is finally not a giant, bulbous Boomer mover. Honda is facing the same shit HD has been. They were forced to create a tourer that was not the previous Wing. It was a good bike, but not a "holy shit I should buy that" bike. We want reliable, fast, top-tier tech machines in this generation. The same old recycled Pacific Coasts just won't do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 This is definitely on my radar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Now that everything is RBW. Why doesn't every motorcycle have Cruise Control? All the sensors are already there and the necessary data is already in the ECM. The only 'extra' parts that are needed are the handlebar controls and the indicator on the display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted November 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 11 hours ago, motocat12 said: RC213V inspired engine? still an inline-four sharing the same bore and stroke as the RC213V. I think they borrowed some valve/cam/timing tech from the rc213v on top of the bore/stroke. "In the cylinder head, new DLC-coated camshafts actuate new finger-follower rocker arms, replacing the shim-under-bucket design to reduce drivetrain friction by 35 percent and cut inertial weight by 75 percent. Those new coated cams are driven by a semi-cam gear-train system. This patent-pending design uses a small timing gear on the crankshaft that drives a cam-idle gear that then in turn moves the cam chain. The goal is a shorter cam chain for less weight and inertia. Reciprocating mass inside the engine has also been reduced with new titanium connecting rods that weigh half of the previous chromoly steel units. New forged pistons made from A2618 aluminum are 5 percent lighter with improved durability and strength. Ober (Teflon and molybdenum) coating on the skirts and nickel-phosphorous plating in the pin clip groove increase high-rpm wear resistance." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Sport touring bikes without cruise are dumb. Sport bikes without it give me mixed feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: Now that everything is RBW. Why doesn't every motorcycle have Cruise Control? All the sensors are already there and the necessary data is already in the ECM. The only 'extra' parts that are needed are the handlebar controls and the indicator on the display. 12 minutes ago, Pauly said: Sport touring bikes without cruise are dumb. Sport bikes without it give me mixed feelings. I can see the upside on slabbing to and from a twistie ride. I’d enjoy having it but wouldn’t be as much a need as it would on a sport tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, MidgetTodd said: I can see the upside on slabbing to and from a twistie ride. I’d enjoy having it but wouldn’t be as much a need as it would on a sport tour Something like 90% of sportbikes will never see a closed circuit. The only street bikes I could make a case for not having cruise are those specifically geared for new riders. The $15,999 CTX1300 (touring bagger) not having Cruise Control is straight up retarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Wow. HD developing something that actually sounds kinda cool. https://www.cycleworld.com/harley-davidson-developing-group-riding-adaptive-cruise-control/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tpoppa said: Wow. HD developing something that actually sounds kinda cool. https://www.cycleworld.com/harley-davidson-developing-group-riding-adaptive-cruise-control/ So only one of them needs to be semi sober coming home from a bar. They will lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 I wouldn't be surprised if there are manufacturer cruise control outside influences. Insurance rates? A recent study conducted by researchers at the University of Strasbourg in France has revealed that cruise control lengthens drivers' reaction times to emergencies by an average of once second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meadeam Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 Can't remember if it was a superbike or motogp rider who when ceremonially presented with a Fireblade back in the day said something like "you'd have to be a f*ckin idiot to ride this thing on the street." Somebody here probably remembers who it was. Probably easy enough to narrow down to Honda riders when the Fireblade came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaDoc Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Tpoppa said: Now that everything is RBW. Why doesn't every motorcycle have Cruise Control? All the sensors are already there and the necessary data is already in the ECM. The only 'extra' parts that are needed are the handlebar controls and the indicator on the display. it will become standard feature pretty soon just like abs, right now they just saving some money plus treating it as a bling bling feature. By 2021 or so cruise will become standard for most street bikes, by then adaptive cruise and radar will be the bling bling. By 2020 bikes are going to hit the floor with radars and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaDoc Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Pauly said: The Wing is finally a contender. It is finally not a giant, bulbous Boomer mover. Honda is facing the same shit HD has been. They were forced to create a tourer that was not the previous Wing. It was a good bike, but not a "holy shit I should buy that" bike. We want reliable, fast, top-tier tech machines in this generation. The same old recycled Pacific Coasts just won't do. i have a feeling kawi bought in the SC on 1k cc > h2 sx to slowly infringe on the customer base of their own connie and FJR. Wonder what if they could squeeze in a SC into the 1300 cc engines and make a goldwing killer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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