bbop0362 Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 I'm just about to the point where I need to replace my brake pads. This will be the first replacement on this bike so I'm looking for some suggestions as to a specific brand/type of pad. Also, sintered or non-sintered? Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 I'm an EBC and Galfer guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 im going to break out my email...brbok this is the owner of calsportbike.com, names todd, very knowledgeable and friendly guy. i recommend him to anyone.my questions in italics his response: Question: Galfer or EBC HH pads? You sold me on the fact that galfer holds its friction longer per say than ebc. if it were on a graph the friction line would be horizontal for galfer and negative slope for ebc. i just dont have the facts to back it up. can you help me out on this? EBC pads have stronger initial bite since their higher copper content meansthey build heat faster. But according to THEIR OWN marketing ads, their peakfriction rating is .6u. Galfer is .7u, or roughly 15% higher peak friction,which means stopping power. However, Galfer uses higher ceramic content intheir sintered mix, meaning the pads cool faster thus they put less thermaldemand on the rotors, so they're more "rotor friendly" than EBC pads. Also,a difference in feel comes because ceramic builds heat in a more linearfashion, so some people THINK EBC pads are better, but it's a difference inFEEL (only initial bite) not in peak performance. Like having a car gearedstrong in 1st and 2nd but gets beat in the 1/4 mile, ya know? O and am i correct in saying that rotors and pads have to be made by the same company? For instance you can't get ebc pads with galfer rotors or vice versa yes?It's a very good idea to use rotors and pads from the same company in manycases, mostly because they only warranty their components to work together.Makes sense, because they would use THEIR pads to test on their rotors, soGalfer, EBC, Ferodo, and others, tend to not want to warranty rotors if youuse someone else's pads. And quite right IMO. one more question: can you compare the different series of galfer HH pads. I know we had discussed this as well between the 1396 series and the 1375 series and whatever other HH line they have.The one numbers that matter for you is 1375 versus 1370. 1396 is for offroadapplications basically. So the 1370 and 1375 are both bronze-based ceramiccompound. However the 1375 also adds a ceramic coated backing plate, whichis a heat barrier to lessen thermal bleed through to the caliper pistons andthus the fluid. Any time you lower the temp of your fluid, the more you stayaway from the dreaded boiling point which causes total fluid degradation. Sothis is why the 1375 compound is more expensive, but is much more popularfor track riders and serious sport riders who understand the facts aboutbraking performance.Now, to help you understand that I'm not just cheerleading Galfer andignoring anything else...understand that I don't always run Galfer pads onMY OWN bikes. In fact, my Ducati 888SPO has Ferodo XRAC pads on BrakeTechAxis ductile iron rotors, which is a step UP from the Galfer setup. But theiron rotors can stand up to the higher thermal demand of the XRAC pads.And on my track bike, with a Brembo setup and 19x18 radial master cylinder,I really loved the Galfer 1375HH pads since they complemented the way theradial master applies a lot of force quickly. I actually tried Vesrah pads(sort of between Ferodo and Galfer in friction) and they were too abrupt, soI wanted a more linear feel for predictability in all conditions.Hope this helps!Best Regards,Todd Robinson - Owner & GMCal-Sportbike * Toll Free (877) 234-5150 x3http://www.calsportbike.comsales@calsportbike.com* Importer/Distributor of Speedo Healer Recalibrators* Importer/Distributor of Gear Indicator Pro* Distributor for Galfer Brakes* Importer/Distributor of Pipercross Air Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exSRAaron Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 RJL's. I've heard both the galfer and ebc's are crap (site vendor on 600rr) when i was considering ordering pads from him..he said rjl's are by far the best and cost just about the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 I go by experience instead of what some seller of said pads state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exSRAaron Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 yeah...rjl's or just stick with stock honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 galfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street pilot Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 galfer pads + galfer stainless braided lines + 5.1fluid = crunched nuts.I've always been a fan of this setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 finishing my brake setup off this winter with that very combination and i thought just doing pads was a good improvement, guess im in for a shock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 how much does galfer pads run?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 how much does galfer pads run??As much as they price them for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 30-40 bucks per sidethats 60-80 total Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exSRAaron Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 just about every pad is in that price range.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 As much as they price them for. :finger: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbop0362 Posted July 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Alright, thanks everyone for the help. I got Galfer pads for the CBR ($88.88 for all 3 sets) and EBC for the R1 ($76.00 for all 3 sets) from kneedraggers.com. Kneegraggers.com seems to have good prices compared to motorcycle-superstore and bikebandit. I figure this way I will be able to sample out both at the same time:banana: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exSRAaron Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 ooh no!! not kneedragger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 careful with HH pads (thats what im assuming since you didn't say otherwise) in the rear, your going to be more prone to lock it up since its a "stickier" compound.be very careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 I put stock in rear and the good brakes up front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 i think thats gonna be the way i go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbop0362 Posted July 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 oh no, is kneedragger.com bad news? I have never ordered from them before. I am going with organics in the back for both bikes to avoid the dreaded rear lockup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleCock Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 don't use the rear brake, problem solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 boy is a genius............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedogg624 Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 don't use the rear brake, problem solved well if you really wanna be gutsy, teh back brake can solve your problems not create more.. ie instead of chopping the throttle upsetting the suspension because your running wide a little bit of rear brake will fix it and tighten your line... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exSRAaron Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 yes kneedraggers is horrible. hopefully you'll actually receive ur parts, but i doubt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhaag Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 i had a set of SBS pads, equal to the EBC HH. these pads were excellent. no bed in procedure and excellent performance. i have had a couple of sets of EBC HH's and after one track day they felt like two pieces of wood, no bite or feel. the SBS's are tough to find locally, but well worth the effort to locate (internet). the price is nice, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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