max power Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Have been looking at a few ccw compacts. Mostly the Ruger LCPhttp://www.rugerlcp.com/and the Bersa Thunder 9 Ultra Compacthttp://www.bersafirearmsusa.com/detail_bersa9.phpDoes anyone have any opinions/experience with either of these?Any other sugesstions in the sub $350 market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 No experience with either of those unfortunately ...But that is my Glock 26 in my avatar pic. I also love my Glock 30 and Glock 36. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f4isvt Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Only advice I can offer for ccw is wear them on your belt before purchasing if you can and see which is the most comfortable for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSXRBirch Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Well i love the my Springfield XD(M) 40, but when i wear it inside the pants/ small of the back its kind of too much. its not bad when moving or while on the bike but sitting in a cage it sucks! Ruger SR9 is a great choice IMO, its light, almost no recoil, and pretty dead on out of the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vroddave Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 max i would look at somthing a lil bigger in caliber than the ruger. I'm looken for a .40 calibur. does anybody know anything about the taurus millenium? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suzukisportrider2004 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 my brother and i both carry, glock 36,27 and a s&w j frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSXRBirch Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 my baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walther_gsp Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I have a keltec P3AT, similar to the ruger. It's great for pocket carry, painful to shoot due to the low weight and straight blowback action. Like pauly said, going up to 9mm is a good idea. I like the Kahr P9 or CW9, the cw can be had for 400ish used if you look. A PM9 would be closer in size to the ruger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 List of dimensions for small CCWhttp://www.smallestguns.com/Rugers are good, but 380 sux9mm is small which is good, but Bersas suxHow about a Kahr PM9 (or P380 for .380) or a Kal-Tec P-11 (or PF-9 for .380)?There's nothing wrong with most of the new names in firearms. The introduction of modern CNC machining and fresh tooling makes many of the new companies very competitive.Personally I still like wheel guns, J-frame and 5 shot 45LC frames. No thinking required.Tokarevs (7.62x25mm) are cool, they are very very thin in width, but have a short 3-finger grip. Which makes a Makarov (9x18mm) interesting. Lower cost choices.Go bigger and I like 45ACP like a Colt Officer or Commander. I still like single stack magazines. just sayin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) Ok' date=' Bersa sucks but Kel-Tec doesn't? [/quote']Kel-Tec probably does, but if he's considering a Bersa, it's comparable.Honestly, if I want something in my pocket, it's usually a small 5 shot revolver, or a tiny little 25acp semi-auto. Small is good. If I'm going to war, that's another story.edit: Sig has been mentioned, dang it, I want one. Someday I'll get a P220. Edited January 11, 2009 by ReconRat add Sig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Keep in mind I'm relativly new to hadguns. I sold my (free to me) Hi-Point .380 to buy a cc gun. Why is Bersa bad? I've heard nothing but good things. I have an 11 year old, therefore want something with a redundant safety and dont keep loaded in the house, kinda want to be able to chuck a mag in at a moments notice rather than hand load a safetyless revolver. You dig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I used to have a Taurus PT111. Now I have a CZ100. I would recommend either of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) All good points Max, and that over rides any other considerations. Safety first. Most of the gun shops consider the Bersas to be good low cost firearms. That must mean people aren't finding faults and returning them. So I withdraw any objection to Bersa.Even with all the safeguards, Ohio law probably says the loaded magazine has to be locked up if there are kids in the house. Dunno. I haven't thought much about that since the newer laws have been enacted. Now I have to go look it up somewhere.edit: looked it up... Ohio does not have what is called a Child Access Prevention Law. Some cities might have such laws. Although I'm sure that if a child obtains an improperly stored, loaded gun, the adult owner is criminally liable. Edited January 11, 2009 by ReconRat looked it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I'm not so worried about the child as the childs friends etc. The kid has been taught gun safety early on and has respect. Its more of a personal preference thing that as the child starts into puberty and such, I would prefer not to take the chance of leaving a loaded firearm in the house that might not always be under my control. Therefore, a mag gun would be preferable. Next considerations would be stopping power and concealability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Bersa Thunder 9 pistols are standard issue pistols for the Argentinean Federal Police and the Buenos Aires Province Police.That right there is impressive. I guess that means it is a decent service grade firearm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 My brother just picked up the Thunder .380 UC and, having not shot it yet, It seems like a quality unit. I would prefer a 9, but that LCP is awful small and concealable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 lcp over the bersa i think...there's just too many of them.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 too many of what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 guns...& yes opinions...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) and assholes? Edited January 11, 2009 by max power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vroddave Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Max Power, Taurus millenium .40 cal is $349.99 at gun shows. this is a gun that i am lookin at. for my cc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Max Power, Taurus millenium .40 cal is $349.99 at gun shows. this is a gun that i am lookin at. for my ccYou mean this?http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=36&category=PistolI have been looking at that one too. That brings up this question. What is the most effective round for stopping power that is not going to break the bank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 dude....if a guy breaks into your house are u going to grab the cheap ammo or the good ammo...shoot the cheap ammo in the field keep the good stuff at home...no one ever seems to argue smiths quality. the below gun won't ever jam and it's the same specs as the smith airlite or airweight not sure..we're going to the store today to check it out...i think the only diff is metal?http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=99524not trying to persuade u at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 ...What is the most effective round for stopping power that is not going to break the bank?Bag of worms there...You probably mean what type of round for a given caliber. But it's a many part question. (Multiple bags of worms)I would go with the Federal studies on that subject. Handgun Wounding Factors and EffectivenessFBI Firearms Academy Training Unithttp://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htmhttp://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdfThey say penetration (minimum of 12 inches), and bullet diameter. Any other factors are a bonus. Various charts and articles on the internet will give an indication of what's effective:http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htmhttp://www.firearmstactical.com/afte.htmhttp://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/one.shot.stops.htmhttp://branson-springfield-private-security.blogspot.com/2008/02/there-is-no-magic-bullet.htmlAny way you look at the question, it is accuracy that is more effective.Read the five rules for concealed carry:http://www.firearmstactical.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) cool info....lets round up some goats Edited January 11, 2009 by Gump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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