excell Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 But this bill sucks. Agreed. This shit is being written into our constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 It should be noted that it failed in Franklin county, 107k to 149k. Columbus is a progressive urban environment focused on arts, dining, and local small business. I don't see Columbus supporting this as enthusiastically as Cleveland or Cinci; two shit holes clammoring for anything to boost their local economies. (full disclosure: I am from Cleveland) Thus why columbus is getting: http://www.walkerevanseffect.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hollywood-casino.jpg and Cleveland is getting: http://media.cleveland.com/metro/photo/dan-gilbert-cleveland-casinojpg-9ecfcbfeedee1b00_large.jpg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfocus1647545489 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Yeah, I have to admit I'll be a little disappointed if they finally build a casino here and it looks like a fucking Cheeseburger in Paradise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyBuiltRacing Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Thus why columbus is getting: http://www.walkerevanseffect.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hollywood-casino.jpg and Cleveland is getting: http://media.cleveland.com/metro/photo/dan-gilbert-cleveland-casinojpg-9ecfcbfeedee1b00_large.jpg The one Cbus is getting reminds me of the one from Vegas vacation that has the shitty food and shitty games. The one Cleveland is getting reminds me of the one from Rain Man lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Yeah, I have to admit I'll be a little disappointed if they finally build a casino here and it looks like a fucking Cheeseburger in Paradise. Yeah, if they're going to do it, they better do it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Yeah, if they're going to do it, they better do it right. Too late for that contingency now, it is already in the state constitution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 The developer has already said they're building a Hollywood Casino here, and for the well-explained reasons Ken mentioned expect corners to be cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Too late for that contingency now, it is already in the state constitution. That shit makes me sick. Might as well piss all over the constitution and wipe it with our asses because clearly a majority of our people don't give a flying fuck about what it stands for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 That shit makes me sick. Might as well piss all over the constitution and wipe it with our asses because clearly a majority of our people don't give a flying fuck about what it stands for. +1 This os one of the big reasons I was against it. Why not just make it a law? Too late now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1647545493 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 That shit makes me sick. Might as well piss all over the constitution and wipe it with our asses because clearly a majority of our people don't give a flying fuck about what it stands for. Chris, can you explain why this is bad? What other ways could this been achieved? I didn't follow it enough to fully understand which I'm sure most of Ohio is in the same boat as myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Chris, can you explain why this is bad? What other ways could this been achieved? I didn't follow it enough to fully understand which I'm sure most of Ohio is in the same boat as myself. I can. Legalize gambling in such away that does not give exclusive rights to a single proprietor. Create a bidding process in which the municipality in which the casino is being built has control over the architecture, aesthetic, and location. Allow municipalities to set tax rates using the investment of the casino establishment as a metric. Allow individual counties to vote for or against inclusion. In other words, do not allow he who stands to gain the most to modify the constitution to establish a legal monopoly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1647545493 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Thanks for the info Ken. Makes sense now....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 The problem, as is so often the case in democracy, is that the majority of voters are either uninformed or legally manipulated with outright hyperbole. Just like issue 2 which was established by Big Agro to further marginalize the small time farmer. It is fucking insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Expanded... By forming this bill as an amendment to the constitution instead of a regular law we have now written exclusive rights to casino gambling in Ohio to this one specific company. Constitutional amendments are extraordinarily difficult to repeal or modify and they trump any law set by any municipality all the way to the State level. Constitution > Law. That means in the future if we wanted to open casino gambling to other organizations, say to introduce competition or to negotiate tax rates we can't without an extraordinary legislative process to reverse this amendment which will never happen. This organization now has a monopoly and can effectively dictate casino policy in Ohio to our lawmakers. The way this should have been done was a constitutional amendment to allow casino gambling, then a state law to award the contract to this organization. We just fucked ourselves out of future tax money and benefits by awarding this organization constitutional protection against competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Just like issue 2 which was established by Big Agro to further marginalize the small time farmer. Do not fucking get me started in issue 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1647545493 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 how in the hell did something like this even make it on the ballot? I'm assuming the folks that are going to open the casinos had to pay out the ass in bribes to get it that far... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Do not fucking get me started in issue 2. What? You don't support a board dictating standards and practices to impose expensive requirements that only mega-farms can afford? The John Deer store on Westerville road disagrees with you. I wonder who their biggest clients are? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 how in the hell did something like this even make it on the ballot? I'm assuming the folks that are going to open the casinos had to pay out the ass in bribes to get it that far... Not bribes, but ecruing enough signatures to reach the ballot is expensive. Hiring a marketing department to fabricate statistics and give hope to those suffering economic hardship is expensive. Running thousands of commercials and print ads is really expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Just like issue 2 which was established by Big Agro to further marginalize the small time farmer. It is fucking insane. Bullshit. If you want to debate it we can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Do not fucking get me started in issue 2. Let's do it. Don't believe the bullshit propoganda paid for by HSUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 how in the hell did something like this even make it on the ballot? I'm assuming the folks that are going to open the casinos had to pay out the ass in bribes to get it that far... In Ohio you can propose a law or an amendment to the constitution (or both) depending on what you're trying to achieve. The average Ohioan isn't educated enough to know the difference. In this case, an amendment to our constitution was required to allow casino gambling in Ohio, but this issue was written to not only allow casino gambling but to give this organization sole control over administering it. And you better believe they spent a shitfuck amount of money to lobby and campaign. Recall our last round of smoking bans we voted on. There were two on the ballot. One was a total ban, a law, which we voted FOR and passed. The other was an amendment to the constitution which would have provided for bars and other similar establishments to always allow smoking which we voted AGAINST and it failed. Had BOTH issues been passed, YOU COULD SMOKE IN BARS even though a law existed forbidding it because the second issue was a constitutional amendment allowing it in bars and constitutional amendments trump law. At any time another constitutional amendment could find it's way onto the ballot to overturn part or all of the law we approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 What? You don't support a board dictating standards and practices to impose expensive requirements that only mega-farms can afford? The John Deer store on Westerville road disagrees with you. I wonder who their biggest clients are? LOLZ!!! Jesus Christ.... I don't even know where to begin with this horribly wrong statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 So contest it. What are you waiting for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 So contest it. What are you waiting for? There's nothing to contest. All you did was describe the type of ballot initiative that Issue 2 was designed to block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 There's nothing to contest. All you did was describe the type of ballot initiative that Issue 2 was designed to block. So you are saying, as an urban dwelling, pencil pushing, never met a farmer voter, perhaps I am not qualified to make a decision that dictates nothing more in my monkey-sphere than the price I pay for my chicken? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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