2highpsi Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Is it as fun reprogramming with your laptop as it was getting dirty in the garage? Same seat of your pants feeling? Thankfully it seems like F/I is making a pretty good comeback maybe that's a sign of things to come. I'll take tweaking fuel and timing maps on my laptop, over pissing with carbs and distributors any day, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 If you look at new cars, more and more reverse engineering is wing used. Intakes are restrictive to keep NVH down, as well as exhausts from the factory. This couldn't be any further from the truth. In recent years where every tenth of a MPG is important, more R&D has gone into intake/exhaust than before. They have gotten to the point to electronically controlling oil flow and reducing main bearing contact area to reduce drag. Noise pipes and other things aren't restrictive to the intake as much as channel specific noises out, or move certain ones into the cabin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeesammy Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 This couldn't be any further from the truth. In recent years where every tenth of a MPG is important, more R&D has gone into intake/exhaust than before. They have gotten to the point to electronically controlling oil flow and reducing main bearing contact area to reduce drag. Noise pipes and other things aren't restrictive to the intake as much as channel specific noises out, or move certain ones into the cabin. I was including newer being 2000+. You must not have been involved In CB the night we came to the conclusion I am a poverty child. Anything 10 years old is new to me I guess I was basing my opinions based upon a certain bran of vehicles compared to automobiles as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I was including newer being 2000+. You must not have been involved In CB the night we came to the conclusion I am a poverty child. Anything 10 years old is new to me I guess I was basing my opinions based upon a certain bran of vehicles compared to automobiles as a whole. Arg.. Kids today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeesammy Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Arg.. Kids today. Poverty child knows no brand new taknologie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Just bought a stock Model T, really pumped to start modding. Welcome to the "Golden Age of Modding", circa 1955! Do you want an Edelbrock, Edelbrock, or Edelbrock intake manifold? Would you like the Holley carb, or the Holley carb to go with that? :no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99StockGT Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I don't have launch control and turn off stability control, does that make my car fun again? You tell me, does it? Hopefully so! :dumb: I DO appreciate all the advances in technology over the past decade, what we can squeeze out of motors with what we have learned is fantastic. Maybe I'll ask for a seat when you rip that TT of yours around and I can make my own informed decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickey4271647545519 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Welcome to the "Golden Age of Modding", circa 1955! Do you want an Edelbrock, Edelbrock, or Edelbrock intake manifold? Would you like the Holley carb, or the Holley carb to go with that? :no: Edelbrock LOL. So much awesome you can do with flatheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Fixed... Look at all the open wheel guys that try to go over and race NASCAR. How many of them fail? Only one I can think of that actually can drive is Tony Stewart, but he got his start driving dirt oval. You are aware that Schumacher drove a Ferrari in F1 (the pinnacle of racing) that without ferrari's electronic stability control the car had to be retired during the race when it failed because the car was uncontrollable. He signed with Ferrari in 1996. Why I thought that all these fancy controls made you a better driver? Best drivers I have seen are kart drivers. Zero assistance from the machine, have to know how to set it up, and have to make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanB Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Comparing old tech to new tech is pointless. The new tech is so much faster at everything, there is no point to compare. Drive what you like, buy what you like, and enjoy. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickey4271647545519 Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Why I thought that all these fancy controls made you a better driver? Best drivers I have seen are kart drivers. Zero assistance from the machine, have to know how to set it up, and have to make it work. Errbody gonna hate. But outlaw sprint drivers know how to drive pretty damn well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanB Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Someone put an LSx in a Suzuki Sidekick... Life goal right there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I'm with Jones. Cars come from the factory already too fast for the average driver to handle. With these cars now a days you can change out the tires and run 11's. It used to take about 5 grand in mods to do that. And that 5 grand typically caused you to have a less comfortable ride. After about $10k the car was no longer street legal and running high 10's. Now a days you just add a blower and tires and can beat all of us old heads driving our "heavily modded cars". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99StockGT Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 But but but...if you are doing so little work on these cars now what do you have to get from the parts store!? I like things you have to buy lots of parts for and break things working on, it keeps me in business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 But but but...if you are doing so little work on these cars now what do you have to get from the parts store!? I like things you have to buy lots of parts for and break things working on, it keeps me in business! Parts store? It's called dealer or mail order. GET WITH THE TIMES BRO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99StockGT Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 So with all this fantastic knowledge we have going here I go back to my previous question...what will be the new '99 Civic SI? What car(s) are 3-6 years old easily able to find, reasonably inexpensive, and easy to work on? Even if it is just involves plugging in and changing numbers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 LOL, since when was a 99 civic si the car to have when wanting a 3-6 year old budget performance car? There is no single car... People will buy what they like, others will hate, and the world will rotate. EVO WRX/STI Mustang Camaro ETC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 LOL, since when was a 99 civic si the car to have when wanting a 3-6 year old budget performance car? Just about to ask that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patterson Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 I get your point. I have the desire to build an old vehicle of some sort, probably will end up being a first gen bronco for my wife for this very reason. It'll be all a simple vehicle, nuts and bolts for the most part (besides engine management). Comparing old tech to new tech is pointless. The new tech is so much faster at everything, there is no point to compare. Drive what you like, buy what you like, and enjoy. Best part of this entire thread. You two really should move to New Hampshire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 You two really should move to New Hampshire. We love you too pattycakes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99StockGT Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 /facepalm I was meaning this purely in the sense of readily available, parts are cheap and attainable, and not a massive upfront cost of the actual car. AKA all the kids are doing it like they were the SIs from a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 /facepalm I was meaning this purely in the sense of readily available, parts are cheap and attainable, and not a massive upfront cost of the actual car. AKA all the kids are doing it like they were the SIs from a few years ago. What kids typically do to those cars isn't exactly what I would call productive. What will be the next "civic si"? Probably whatever Advanced auto parts sells wings and chrome intakes for would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99StockGT Posted April 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Ahhh Jones, I'm going to have to buy you a coffee. Granted it will have to be a German coffee, and come with an auto cooling fan in the lid and have a self dispensing creamer but I'll buy you a coffee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bastard Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 What kids typically do to those cars isn't exactly what I would call productive. What will be the next "civic si"? Probably whatever Advanced auto parts sells wings and chrome intakes for would be my guess. Corvette? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Ahhh Jones, I'm going to have to buy you a coffee. Granted it will have to be a German coffee, and come with an auto cooling fan in the lid and have a self dispensing creamer but I'll buy you a coffee. I'll take a iced Chai from Cup O Joe @ Cars N Coffee. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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