Got-Boost? Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Video: http://bearingarms.com/excessive-force-john-crawford-shooting-beavercreek-walmart-video/ Video with 911 audio: http://www.wlwt.com/news/surveillance-video-and-911-audio-of-walmart-shooting/28228506 911 Caller: http://www.whio.com/videos/news/man-who-called-911-in-walmart-shooting-talks-to/vCmptw/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Will be interesting to see how this goes. From the footage, looks sketchy to my layperson self. PAGE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 I couldn't believe how different the video was from what I heard on the news. News said he was outside waving it at police. Totally different story in the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Brian Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 The main points: Wal Mart shouldn't have weapons out in the open for kids to grab This kid shouldn't have carried it around the store 911 callers way over-exaggerated the situation Cops had too much coffee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Honestly what is wrong with the police? My ROE in Afghanistan wouldn't even allow for what some of goes on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRD2BDF Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Its Walmart, what do you expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 The main points: Wal Mart shouldn't have weapons out in the open for kids to grab This kid shouldn't have carried it around the store 911 callers way over-exaggerated the situation Cops had too much coffee /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 The main points: Wal Mart shouldn't have weapons out in the open for Anyone to grab This kid shouldn't have carried it around the store 911 callers way over-exaggerated the situation ^^ This. Maybe it's just me, but am I the only one thinking the 911 caller was way to calm, cool and casual about the whole thing? Something doesn't seem right there. I mean really isn't the dispatcher wondering why the fuck he's calm and still there watching this guy ? In reality if you really suspected someone of carrying a rifle in WalMart, suspected him of loading it and waving it around, would you stick around to do a play by play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFo Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 The jury deliberated, had more information that we ever will and decided it was justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE-O Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Wonder where the employee running that department was as in the video no one was at the gym counter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Cops are being told there's a man loading a black rifle and pointing it at people. ... til you walk a mile in their shoes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFo Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Wonder where the employee running that department was as in the video no one was at the gym counter Ever been to Wal Mart? They are NEVER there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmaa Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Based on the video the guy never had a chance... 911 caller seems mostly to blame. The full video shows a dad and two kids calmly walk by the aisle, see the man and keep walking... No painic no gun pointing. Then a mother with her children go in the same aisle, again see the man, keep shopping, walk out of the area and even come back. Never look scared. Never had a gun pointed at them. 911 caller says otherwise. http://www.whio.com/videos/news/man-who-called-911-in-walmart-shooting-talks-to/vCmptw/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 The main points: Wal Mart shouldn't have weapons out in the open for kids to grab This kid shouldn't have carried it around the store 911 callers way over-exaggerated the situation Cops had too much coffee Cops are being told there's a man loading a black rifle and pointing it at people. ... til you walk a mile in their shoes. These^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelloman4571647545499 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Cops are being told there's a man loading a black rifle and pointing it at people. ... til you walk a mile in their shoes. Best statement here. Let's not Monday-morning quarterback a situation that 90% of the board will never be involved in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmaa Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Don't Monday morning quarterback this either http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/justice/south-carolina-trooper-shooting/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Brian Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 If a cop asks for my license I will ask him if it's okay to get it out of my car, not dive in to grab it. 0% cop's fault. come at me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 If a cop asks for my license I will ask him if it's okay to get it out of my car, not dive in to grab it. 0% cop's fault. come at me /thread again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmaa Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 If a cop asks for my license I will ask him if it's okay to get it out of my car, not dive in to grab it. 0% cop's fault. come at me Guess no one agreed. Cop is fired and charges filed. ""The force administered in this case was unwarranted, inconsistent with how our troopers are trained, and clearly in violation of department policies," South Carolina Public Safety Director Leroy Smith said last week in announcing Groubert's firing." Commonality here, sometimes people are too quick to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 If a cop asks for my license I will ask him if it's okay to get it out of my car, not dive in to grab it. 0% cop's fault. come at me 100% agree. Never exit unless instructed and certainly don't go making sudden movements like this dude did. Although on the flip-side I do think that trooper way over reacted and even if you don't think so, you have to agree there's no way he was in a life threatening situation. He never saw a weapon, he just assumed... Completely understand approaching a traffic stop amped up a bit, but you must be controlled and able to make better decisions. Not to mention it was like the guy fired 2-3 times and ended up only hitting the guy once in the hip? Talk about nerves..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectragod Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Cops are being told there's a man loading a black rifle and pointing it at people. ... til you walk a mile in their shoes. ^^^THIS^^^ , pretty much spot on, race had -0- to do with anything. The bottom line, when the police tell you to put the gun down, you comply. I don't believe the "victim" did anything illegal, but he did do something stupid, coupled with not complying with a direct order while at gunpoint. In today's climate, that gets you killed...... obviously as is the case here. When you factor in the things that happen on a daily basis with people and guns, shootings going on everywhere, add that to the amount of law enforcement that apparently has a target on it's back and has for the last year or 2, these guys want to go home after their shift, not be gunned down by someone who very well may have a rifle. Kudo's for these 2 officers, they didn't wait for back-up, they dealt with the situation, had it have been a active shooter, targeting customer's, these are the guys I want to respond to the call. If people were inside and getting shot at, and this all played out as it did, we would not be discussing this at all. It's sad that the kid that got killed had his whole life in front of him, and did something stupid that got him killed, but in the end, the responsibility falls on his shoulders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmaa Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I don't believe the "victim" did anything illegal, but he did do something stupid, coupled with not complying with a direct order while at gunpoint. In today's climate, that gets you killed...... obviously as is the case here. This is the part I am struggling with. Based off of the video, the man doesn't appear to acknowledge the officers are even there until he is shot. I kind of hear put the gun down at around 55s and the first shot is fired around 56.2s while another command is being given. EDIT: Still blaming 911 caller. Any kid could have picked that gun up off the shelf. He walked by several people and no one seemed to care... Caller is the only reason this got turned into an "active shooter" scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buelliganx1 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 If a cop asks for my license I will ask him if it's okay to get it out of my car, not dive in to grab it. 0% cop's fault. come at me He was already out of the car when the cop rolled up from what I saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs.cos Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 There is also a previous history of this cop and shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Brian Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 He was already out of the car when the cop rolled up from what I saw. bro did you even watch the video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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