NYPD want to ban part of WAZE

[carl1647545492]

Seems like the WAZE DUI checkpoint feature is not to the NYPD,s liking and they issued a cease and desist order to Google,they want it gone for obvious reasons.I,m ok with that.

 

But I wonder if they get that banned then they will ask Google to quit using the where the cops are hiding on the freeway feature, of whatever its called.

 

Discuss.

[Not Brian]

Police can't legally setup checkpoints without first informing the public. Since Waze is simply displaying public knowledge already posted online, police have no argument here; they're just mad technology is bringing that information to light, in case people didn't check.

[iwashmycar]

Because I always check Waze when I’m hammered out of my gourd

[Mojoe]

NY police run different than we see here in Ohio. They don’t have to have running light on when parked and can absolutely hide. So how can they enforce this on Waze? I don’t see how they can. NY is a no radar detector state, so disconnect your radar or pay a ticket if caught. But waze could only implement a home of record restriction to their system. Out of state travelers are still going to run waze. All this does is hinder the tax payer and benifit the traveler. That will never happen.

[Geeto67]

NY is a no radar detector state, so disconnect your radar or pay a ticket if caught.

 

That's not accurate. NY state prohibits radar detectors in commercial vehicles and any vehicle with a GVWR of 18,000lbs or over, i.e. Trucks. Detectors are perfectly legal in passenger cars and private vehicles under 18,000 lbs.

 

 

The argument the NYPD is trying to make is that there is no permissible purpose of alerting people as to police checkpoints other than to allow people to get away with breaking the law. It's kind of a bullshit argument because there are plenty of legitimate purposes for knowing the location of a checkpoint, and as was pointed out they are often a matter of public record. I don't think they will be successful, and so far they have not taken any legal action. They dig up this threat against waze, Google, and literally anybody who reports on the location of police action every couple of years and it never goes anywhere because it's not illegal.

[unfunnyryan]

NY is a no freedom no fun state i dont give a fuck what they want or are doing because I will never go there

[Mojoe]

Kerry, thanks for not writing a book with your correction to what I posted. I had not looked into this since my dad told, and hell that could have been 15 years ago when he drove through there all the time, in a commercial truck. But this is just showing one more stupid thing about over regulated NY. Not running a radar detector in a commercial vehicle is a federal law, but NY wants to make sure they have it in their books too.

 

United States Radar Detector Laws

 

Radar detectors are completely legal to use in non-commercial vehicles. Virginia and Washington DC are the only 2 areas in the United States that currently have a ban on the use of radar detectors. There is also a federal law banning the use of radar detectors in any commercial vehicle over 10,000 pounds. Radar detectors are also illegal on any military base.

[Geeto67]

Kerry, thanks for not writing a book with your correction to what I posted. I had not looked into this since my dad told, and hell that could have been 15 years ago when he drove through there all the time, in a commercial truck. But this is just showing one more stupid thing about over regulated NY. Not running a radar detector in a commercial vehicle is a federal law, but NY wants to make sure they have it in their books too.

 

States having copies of federal law are extremely common, and the reason is jurisdiction. Federal crimes can only be tried in federal courts and states are not obligated to enforce federal crimes (that's why we have an FBI). By having a state law version of the federal law, a state LEO can just issue you a ticket for having a radar detector in a commercial vehicle instead of having to arrest you and await trial on a federal docket.

 

Ohio has the same state law version of the federal law that New York has. It's not a sign of over regulation.

 

NY isn't "over regulated" for the most part it has the same laws we have here in Ohio (thanks to the adoption of uniform commercial and criminal codes), it is however sometimes overzealous in enforcement of different things. But that's a different conversation.

[Mojoe]

Last word.

[Vulcan900]

Last word.

 

Winning!

[Geeto67]

The NYPD is one of the largest Law Enforcement organizations in the country (even bigger than the FBI) and as such sometimes it throws it's weight around to try to bully private citizens/companies into helping them out, even where there is no legal standing for those individuals/organizations to do so? Why? because every once in a while it gets some public support, and then a local politician gets elected on that local support, and then a law gets passed. It's playing the political game. Most NY'ers hear the NYPD griping about something and just roll their eyes and say - "yeah well maybe if you guys weren't such pains in the ass, people would feel more sympathetic to what you are trying to do".

 

Occasionally it makes national news, and people in other states (maybe conservative ones) point their fingers and say "look at NY, they hate freedom!!!!" when in fact their own state's LEO's have been complaining about the same thing for years and are part of the national groups like the Sheriff's Association and the Fraternal Order of Police who have been making this same argument for years: https://www.ohio.com/article/20150129/NEWS/301299202

 

 

If you guys want to discuss it - the most interesting part of all this is that warning people of speed traps and police blockades has been considered a protected form or free speech in some cases. this goes back before the time of smartphones and apps to when people would flash their lights to warn oncoming motorists.

[RC K9]

NY LOL

[zeitgeist57]

https://gizmodo.com/cops-insist-waze-users-stop-snitching-on-dwi-checkpoint-1832410071

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NY LOL

[Miller]

NY LOL.

 

People of NY LOL.

 

Abortions LOL

[Rustlestiltskin]

The NYPD is one of the largest Law Enforcement organizations in the country (even bigger than the FBI) and as such sometimes it throws it's weight around to try to bully private citizens/companies into helping them out, even where there is no legal standing for those individuals/organizations to do so? Why? because every once in a while it gets some public support, and then a local politician gets elected on that local support, and then a law gets passed. It's playing the political game. Most NY'ers hear the NYPD griping about something and just roll their eyes and say - "yeah well maybe if you guys weren't such pains in the ass, people would feel more sympathetic to what you are trying to do".

 

Occasionally it makes national news, and people in other states (maybe conservative ones) point their fingers and say "look at NY, they hate freedom!!!!" when in fact their own state's LEO's have been complaining about the same thing for years and are part of the national groups like the Sheriff's Association and the Fraternal Order of Police who have been making this same argument for years: https://www.ohio.com/article/20150129/NEWS/301299202

 

 

If you guys want to discuss it - the most interesting part of all this is that warning people of speed traps and police blockades has been considered a protected form or free speech in some cases. this goes back before the time of smartphones and apps to when people would flash their lights to warn oncoming motorists.

 

Jenkem is an inhalant and hallucinogen created from fermented human waste. In the mid-1990s, it was reported to be a popular street drug among Zambian street children. They would put the feces and urine in a jar and cover it with a balloon then let it ferment out in the sun, then afterwards they would inhale the fumes created. In November 2007, there was a moral panic in the United States after widespread reports of jenkem becoming a popular recreational drug in middle and high schools across the country, though the true extent of the practice has since been called into question.Several sources reported that the increase in American media coverage was based on a hoax and on faulty Internet research.

[Geeto67]

Jenkem is an inhalant and hallucinogen created from fermented human waste. In the mid-1990s, it was reported to be a popular street drug among Zambian street children. They would put the feces and urine in a jar and cover it with a balloon then let it ferment out in the sun, then afterwards they would inhale the fumes created. In November 2007, there was a moral panic in the United States after widespread reports of jenkem becoming a popular recreational drug in middle and high schools across the country, though the true extent of the practice has since been called into question.Several sources reported that the increase in American media coverage was based on a hoax and on faulty Internet research.

 

So what you are saying is a bunch of uninformed, frightened, easily swayed people, with preconceived biases panicked for no reason based off something they read in the paper?

 

(looks up at all the NY LOL comments in this thread)

 

Ok, that checks out.

[Rustlestiltskin]

So what you are saying is a bunch of uninformed, frightened, easily swayed people, with preconceived biases panicked for no reason based off something they read in the paper?

 

(looks up at all the NY LOL comments in this thread)

 

Ok, that checks out.

 

The name derives from Genkem, a brand of glues which had "become the generic name for all the glues used by glue-sniffing children" in South Africa, where the drug originated and is most popular on the African continent today. In the book Children of AIDS: Africa's Orphan Crisis by Emma Guest, the making of jenkem is described: "fermented human sewage, scraped from pipes and stored in plastic bags for a week or so, until it gives off numbing, intoxicating fumes."The process is similarly described in a 1995 IPS report: "Human excreta is scooped up from the edges of the sewer ponds in old cans and containers which are covered with a polyethylene bag and left to stew or ferment for a week."A 1999 BBC article refers to "the dark brown sludge, gathering up fistfuls and stuffing it into small plastic bottles. They tap the bottles on the ground, taking care to leave enough room for methane to form at the top."

 

The effects of jenkem inhalation last for around an hour and consist of auditory and visual hallucinations for some users. In 1995, one user told a reporter it is "more potent than cannabis."A 1999 report interviewed a user, who said, "With glue, I just hear voices in my head. But with jenkem, I see visions. I see my mother who is dead and I forget about the problems in my life." Fumito Ichinose, an anesthesia specialist in Boston who conducted a study on the effects of hydrogen sulfide gas, or "sewer gas," on mice, informed Salon.com that holding your breath, choking, or "the inhalation of gases like those produced from jenkem could result in hypoxia, a lack of oxygen flow to the body that could be alternately euphoric and physically dangerous."

[wagner]

NY LOL

 

"The ability of the police to hide their activity from the public is the hallmark of dictatorships..."

[Otis Nice]

new yLoLrk. The caLOLfornia of the east coast.

[cdk 4219]

NY is a no freedom no fun state i dont give a fuck what they want or are doing because I will never go there

 

The whole east coast is going that way, the people from New York move out because of the high taxes, high cost of living, and endless regulation. They bring all those issues to their new place of living by preaching he same things they left for. They also like to vote for people who bring all the same regulations and cost in the new place they live. Florida is a great example of that, and you have seen a first hand example right here. Just watch Live PD in Pasco county Fla and let listen to the east coast accents of 80% of the calls. Or simply read Geeto’s posts to confirm

[Geeto67]

The whole east coast is going that way, the people from New York move out because of the high taxes, high cost of living, and endless regulation. They bring all those issues to their new place of living by preaching he same things they left for. They also like to vote for people who bring all the same regulations and cost in the new place they live. Florida is a great example of that, and you have seen a first hand example right here. Just watch Live PD in Pasco county Fla and let listen to the east coast accents of 80% of the calls. Or simply read Geeto’s posts to confirm

 

You do understand that there are people born here in the Midwest that also don't share your extremist views, right? Ohio is a battle ground state and it's not because it's been invaded by "east coasters", it's because there are actually decent people here, not you, but they are here. If you think you are a majority opinion in this state, then holy shit is the bubble you live in isolating.

 

If you think the offices of Law enforcement in Ohio aren't doing the same thing that the NYPD is doing to waze, you are dead wrong. They are still members of the national organizations the Sheriff's Association and the Fraternal Order of Police, who are putting just as much pressure on Waze and Google. LEO's across the nation don't like it, just the NYPD is the 800lb gorilla.

 

I can't defend the NYPD, they are larger than most small countries armies, frequent human rights violators, horrifically corrupt, and for some reason international (?!?!) for reasons that escape me (why the fuck, do they have an office in Jerusalem or Toronto?). Most NY'ers hate them because even on their best behavior they are miserable and bureaucratic. There are legit things to be concerned about them, but their temper tantrums about things which have been found to be constitutionally protected aren't really anything.

[Darkside]

If you think the offices of Law enforcement in Ohio aren't doing the same thing that the NYPD is doing to waze, you are dead wrong. They are still members of the national organizations the Sheriff's Association and the Fraternal Order of Police, who are putting just as much pressure on Waze and Google. LEO's across the nation don't like it, just the NYPD is the 800lb gorilla.

 

I've been around a lot of LE agencies and have never heard one thing about Waze being an issue. Unless you are one of the tiny departments that stay afloat by writing citations, I don't think anyone really cares.

[cdk 4219]

Must have hit a nerve, again why did you move here and preach your message on a car forum?

[Otis Nice]

I've been around a lot of LE agencies and have never heard one thing about Waze being an issue. Unless you are one of the tiny departments that stay afloat by writing citations, I don't think anyone really cares.

 

^^^

[1Quik7]

I'm confused? Who cares? If you are in NYC/Jersey and driving, you're from out of town and visiting so it shouldn't matter. All my family and friends there do own cars(to escape the city) but they take the trains. I can understand NYC prolly doesn't get the revenue from DUI traffic stops they should...you'd better worry about going home and driving on the M1 after United loses