why do people care so much about issue 3?

[Likwid]

Here's the biggest issue. WHO is fighting against Casinos? WHO is advertising to vote NO.....

The ads on TV are from an organization called Truth PAC... let's take a look at that company. I have NO issue with people voting based on their research but people are getting bad information and forming their opinions based off skewed information.

Truth PAC shows funding is originating from an out-of-state company called MTR Gaming Group, Inc. MTR Gaming Group owns Mountaineer Casino, Racetrack, and Resort in Chester West Virginia. Another fact that is being omitted is that Mountaineer derives an estimated 76% of it’s annual earnings from residents of Ohio.

[CleaveTheGreat]

Here's the biggest issue. WHO is fighting against Casinos? WHO is advertising to vote NO.....

The ads on TV are from an organization called Truth PAC... let's take a look at that company. I have NO issue with people voting based on their research but people are getting bad information and forming their opinions based off skewed information.

Yeah I read about that. Not surprising. Although there are positives and negatives to issue 3, i really hope it passes because I think that positives outweigh the negatives....and I'm tired of hearing about it.

[Tpoppa]

Here's the biggest issue. WHO is fighting against Casinos? WHO is advertising to vote NO.....

The ads on TV are from an organization called Truth PAC... let's take a look at that company. I have NO issue with people voting based on their research but people are getting bad information and forming their opinions based off skewed information.

That is a good bit of information.

Casinos will generate additional tax revenue for OH gov't to squander and misallocate. Ohioans have one of the highest tax burdens in the counrty, and we're not exactly reaping the rewards of a well run state government.

Overall I hope it passes. Casinos should solve more issues than they create. I would prolly go to a casino once or twice a year.

Edited September 28, 2009 by Tpoppa

[Likwid]

I would prolly go to a casino once or twice a year.

Lies, I know you pee on the slot stools because you're on a hot streak.

But in all seriousness, I DON'T gamble whole lot, but when a bunch of friends are going for a trip I like to go and get in a little gambling.

Put a casino in Cleveland I'll go there a couple times, I usually play with a maximum of $100 each time I go... so put it in Cleveland and now my cost goes down since I don't have to get a hotel and drive there.

It'd be fun to have a casino nearby

[Tpoppa]

Hopefully, they have a sports book so we can bet on Browns games. I'll be taking the other team minus the points.

[Likwid]

Hopefully, they have a sports book so we can bet on Browns games. I'll be taking the other team minus the points.

No doubt there, or just bet the opposite of me... Browns suck until I bet against them with a spread... they always seem to beat the spread then

[that dude]

No doubt there, or just bet the opposite of me... Browns suck until I bet against them with a spread... they always seem to beat the spread then

true

[SirAlienJ]

One of the biggest opponents of Casinos in OH is the Catholic church. Not because they are morally opposed to gambing, but because they see it putting a big dent in Bingo revenue. Seriously.

Ahh yes, Bingo at church just like Jesus intended

Don't worry Columbus finished off most the bingo business at the Catholic Churches in Columbus with the hamfisted indoor smoking ban that was in place before the state wide one.

Also, bingo revenue at its peak for one year didn't even come close to touching what a casino would consider a bad night for nearly every Parish.

If you want to hate the Catholic Church go right ahead but you might want to try doing it for theological reasons because you are wrong on this socio-economic one.

[Likwid]

You guys can argue smoking bans all day long... but you're in the minority. The smoking ban passed by 58% of voters.

Welcome to democracy, you're the minority you lose, end of story.

[that dude]

Don't worry Columbus finished off most the bingo business at the Catholic Churches in Columbus with the hamfisted indoor smoking ban that was in place before the state wide one.

Also, bingo revenue at its peak for one year didn't even come close to touching what a casino would consider a bad night for nearly every Parish.

If you want to hate the Catholic Church go right ahead but you might want to try doing it for theological reasons because you are wrong on this socio-economic one.

too easy

[Tpoppa]

Don't worry Columbus finished off most the bingo business at the Catholic Churches in Columbus with the hamfisted indoor smoking ban that was in place before the state wide one.

Also, bingo revenue at its peak for one year didn't even come close to touching what a casino would consider a bad night for nearly every Parish.

If you want to hate the Catholic Church go right ahead but you might want to try doing it for theological reasons because you are wrong on this socio-economic one.

You're welcome to your opinion, but I disagree.

As you stated Casinos generate FAR greater revenue than bingo...that is the threat, and why opposed by the Diocese.

The Catholic church that is walking distance from my house has an ATM in their bingo hall. I laugh every time ride by it. Gambling is a sin isn't it? but there are other threads to argue theology.

From your Dead Kennedys avatar I'm guessing you're not a member of the Diocese.

[Todd#43]

Here's the biggest issue. WHO is fighting against Casinos? WHO is advertising to vote NO.....

The ads on TV are from an organization called Truth PAC... let's take a look at that company. I have NO issue with people voting based on their research but people are getting bad information and forming their opinions based off skewed information.

It would be easier if they just told the truth, wouldnt it?

Yeah I read about that. Not surprising. Although there are positives and negatives to issue 3, i really hope it passes because I think that positives outweigh the negatives....and I'm tired of hearing about it.

Just curious, what do you think are the "positives" in this?

The fact that $1.0 billion stays in Ohio? Any other upside to having a casino here?

[Todd#43]

That is a good bit of information.

Overall I hope it passes. Casinos should solve more issues than they create. I would prolly go to a casino once or twice a year.

Depending on where you live, you could get to a Casino in an hour and a half. Really, thats not much of drive. How many times a year do you go now?

Overall, what issues does having 4 or 5 casinos in ohio solve?

[cmoosego]

One of the biggest opponents of Casinos in OH is the Catholic church. Not because they are morally opposed to gambing, but because they see it putting a big dent in Bingo revenue. Seriously.

Ahh yes, Bingo at church just like Jesus intended

AND the idiots that have no idea what they are talking about have come out to play.... The Catholic churches of Ohio for the most part don't put on bingo any more, in fact in C-bus there are less then 10 parishes that run a bingo... get your facts straight before you spout off... and if you have a problem with catholics you got a huge f-n problem with me....

[cmoosego]

Don't worry Columbus finished off most the bingo business at the Catholic Churches in Columbus with the hamfisted indoor smoking ban that was in place before the state wide one.

Also, bingo revenue at its peak for one year didn't even come close to touching what a casino would consider a bad night for nearly every Parish.

If you want to hate the Catholic Church go right ahead but you might want to try doing it for theological reasons because you are wrong on this socio-economic one.

I guess I didn't read the whole thread... but still...

[Likwid]

The government has zero right to tell a business owner how he/she must run their business. Don't like smoking? Go to a bar that has no smoking. I voted against the ban' date=' but wasn't surprised it passed. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to go to dinner or to a bar and not have to wash my eyes every 15 minutes. I just don't think it was morally justified.[/quote']

I know you and I have talked about this before, but we both know this is a place we're going to disagree. If "private" was truly the pace for only the individual then we wouldn't have drinking age, drug restrictions etc etc.

End of the day, people were SCREAMING and CRYING that business were going to go under and every bar in Ohio was going to shut down because there was no smoking... guess what, it didn't.

I love the smoking ban. Businesses couldn't ban smoking before because it was bad practice and people got mad, now that it's a state rule there's no arguing, "sorry it's state law". I don't have to walk outside just to breath fresh air, or bring eye drops because my eyes are burning.

[Tpoppa]

AND the idiots that have no idea what they are talking about have come out to play.... The Catholic churches of Ohio for the most part don't put on bingo any more, in fact in C-bus there are less then 10 parishes that run a bingo... get your facts straight before you spout off... and if you have a problem with catholics you got a huge f-n problem with me....

Easy tiger.

http://www.ildado.com/bingo_halls_usa_ohio.html

Here are 5 pages of Bingo listings in OH, about half of them are churches. Sometime facts can get in the way of internet rantings.

Edited September 28, 2009 by Tpoppa

[that dude]

The government has zero right to tell a business owner how he/she must run their business. Don't like smoking? Go to a bar that has no smoking. I voted against the ban' date=' but wasn't surprised it passed. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to go to dinner or to a bar and not have to wash my eyes every 15 minutes. I just don't think it was morally justified.[/quote']

smoking causes cancer in my favorite food joints...to innocent bystander like me

[that dude]

I know you and I have talked about this before, but we both know this is a place we're going to disagree. If "private" was truly the pace for only the individual then we wouldn't have drinking age, drug restrictions etc etc.

End of the day, people were SCREAMING and CRYING that business were going to go under and every bar in Ohio was going to shut down because there was no smoking... guess what, it didn't.

I love the smoking ban. Businesses couldn't ban smoking before because it was bad practice and people got mad, now that it's a state rule there's no arguing, "sorry it's state law". I don't have to walk outside just to breath fresh air, or bring eye drops because my eyes are burning.

well said sir. i agree

[that dude]

casinos= union labor=bigger home and more toys for me. please vote yes

[that dude]

[Likwid]

I never thought it would cause a decline in business. I just think it's wrong from a moral standpoint. I like the clean air while I eat' date=' but the law treads a little too close to infringement for my liking. I don't think government has the right to tell any business owner they can't allow smoking in their establishment. Plus, your drinking analogy is a bit skewed. Those <21 can't drink in public, period. It isn't a law that affects businesses directly. Jinu can't have butt sex with Walther in public.. and still can't do it in a bar. This smoking ban was directed at indoor businesses. Do I think business has suffered as a result? No, probably just the opposite, but that doesn't make it morally acceptable. The ends don't justify the means. It's too close to that slippery slope. [/quote']

My example wasn't phrased well, I was more talking to the point that it doesn't make sense that government can regulate what we do in our home or what we do that ONLY impacts the individual.

Some examples:

Seatbelt laws that apply to the driver

Helmet laws that apply to the main rider

Private alcohol consumption by underage.

Why is there a drinking age? Criminalize drinking and driving, that's fine, but what about a 15 year old drinking alone in their parents' house? Who does it hurt? Just the 15 year old... so is the government passing laws to PROTECT the public, or to TEACH us better? "You don't know what's best for you, so we'll tell you"

[Todd#43]

He's already answered that one' date=' Todd. Pay attention.. sheesh! [/quote']

Yeah, ummmmm, I guess I missed that one

[Angrish]

I would like to gamble close to home! Go issue 3,But dont tell my wife j/k

[shittygsxr]

Everyone that I work with is a fucking retard. They can't take care of themselves so I have no idea how they would raise a child. Laws that only impact the individual.

Seat belts? Are they a good idea, sure. Should I have to force you to wear one, no. You have are not mentally retarded so you wear one all the time right? Well as long as after you go through the windshield and die your wife doesn't go on welfare and use up tax dollars.

We shouldn't need a smoking ban because people should be respectful and not blow there smoke all over people, but Americans are ignorant pricks. I guess that is why that law exists.

Americans have proven their inability to be fiscally responsible so maybe giving them fewer options to completely piss their money away would be a good idea.

Go to walmart and look at all of the mouth breathing morons and tell me that they have the capability to make rational decisions that do not negatively impact you.

Also here is another news flash, Ohio is a shithole and doesn't have a damn thing to offer other than crappy weather. Who in their right mind would come here on purpose to hang out in our casino?

My example wasn't phrased well, I was more talking to the point that it doesn't make sense that government can regulate what we do in our home or what we do that ONLY impacts the individual.

Some examples:

Seatbelt laws that apply to the driver

Helmet laws that apply to the main rider

Private alcohol consumption by underage.

Why is there a drinking age? Criminalize drinking and driving, that's fine, but what about a 15 year old drinking alone in their parents' house? Who does it hurt? Just the 15 year old... so is the government passing laws to PROTECT the public, or to TEACH us better? "You don't know what's best for you, so we'll tell you"