chevysoldier Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Stopping power really means the ability to effectively neutralize the target as quickly as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alab32 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 care to elaborate?My point was really to get some clarification about what people really meant by "stopping power."the notion that a bullet will knock someone over or somehow impede their forward progress for any reason beyond pain seems flatly wrong from a physics standpoint.Basically stopping power is anything that stops them from doing what they are doing. Any shot directly into the heart or brain will more than likely stop the person. However, a .45 to the heart will top that heart a bit faster than a .22 because it will take a chunk out of the heart rather than putting a little hole in it and waiting for it to bleed out. Thus the .45 has more stopping power. A lot more pain and usually damage involved with something like a .45. When you look at a .22 though, it has the tendency to not stop moving in the chest. It just plinks around on all kinds of bones and then makes a lot of damage that way. A bullet can kill no matter what it is. Plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Red lets put it this way it would take a perfect shot with a .22lr to stop someone with one shot. With a larger bullet the odds are better for a one shot stop. I am not saying one shot with the guy flying backwards. just saying one shot from a 9mm,.40, or .45 has a much greater chance of enough damage to stop someone with one shot. Now a 12ga with 00 buck in a 3 inch mag might stop someone in there tracks as in no more foward motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cOoTeR Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I have an xd .45, I love it. It has the 1911 style safety on the back. The glock style trigger safety. A grip that's perfect for large hands but not too big for small hands. An ambidextrous mag release. The firing pin pokes out the back so you can check to see if its cocked by sight or touch. Same with the indicator that shows if a round is in the chamber that sticks out the top of the slide. It is light weight for its size. Has a rail to mount stuff on. I attached a glock light/laser to mine for when I don't use it as my carry gun. Mine came with a thumb saver loader, 2mags w/ holster, a holster and a cable lock for child safety. I have had it 4 or 5 years now without a single problem. It's design is great for point and shoot style shooting. I often carry mine or its my #2 home defence gun (second to my 870).Down side is .45 ammo is becoming pricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 A quality self-defense round will expand upon impact' date=' causing a greater percussion to the body and internal organs. A good example, since you mention physics, would be to poke your wife in the chest with your index finger, then punch her in the chest with a closed fist at the same speed. Not exactly a perfect experiment, but it is a fair illustration. The slower and fatter the round, the more damage it will do the the target. You don't want to "pierce" the target. You want to blow what's inside of it to hell and back, while keeping the penetration only on one side.... the side you fire at. This is for home defense, like you asked for.[/quote']Basically stopping power is anything that stops them from doing what they are doing. Any shot directly into the heart or brain will more than likely stop the person. However, a .45 to the heart will top that heart a bit faster than a .22 because it will take a chunk out of the heart rather than putting a little hole in it and waiting for it to bleed out. Thus the .45 has more stopping power. A lot more pain and usually damage involved with something like a .45. When you look at a .22 though, it has the tendency to not stop moving in the chest. It just plinks around on all kinds of bones and then makes a lot of damage that way. A bullet can kill no matter what it is. Plain and simple.Red lets put it this way it would take a perfect shot with a .22lr to stop someone with one shot. With a larger bullet the odds are better for a one shot stop. I am not saying one shot with the guy flying backwards. just saying one shot from a 9mm,.40, or .45 has a much greater chance of enough damage to stop someone with one shot. Now a 12ga with 00 buck in a 3 inch mag might stop someone in there tracks as in no more foward motion.You guys all said it better than me. I couldn't formulate my thought enough for a good answer but yes, you are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 A quality self-defense round will expand upon impact' date=' causing a greater percussion to the body and internal organs. [b']A good example, since you mention physics, would be to poke your wife in the chest with your index finger, then punch her in the chest with a closed fist at the same speed. Not exactly a perfect experiment, but it is a fair illustration. The slower and fatter the round, the more damage it will do the the target. You don't want to "pierce" the target. You want to blow what's inside of it to hell and back, while keeping the penetration only on one side.... the side you fire at. This is for home defense, like you asked for.perfectly put. in the red.... when he first posted his question i was poking my dog in the forehead then with a fist lightly bumping her head while she slept and trying to think how i could put that to understandable words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alab32 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 perfectly put. in the red.... when he first posted his question i was poking my dog in the forehead then with a fist lightly bumping her head while she slept and trying to think how i could put that to understandable words Ha ha ha ha. I managed to picture this happening. And then I looked at my sleeping dogs and started pondering. ha ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 they dont even mind........ she never even woke up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Oh she was awake and thinking when he goes to work I am gonna shit all over the place for him to clean. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alab32 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Oh she was awake and thinking when he goes to work I am gonna shit all over the place for him to clean. LOL!Oh man that happened to me while I was on the golf course today. And I didnt even poke him in the forehead! WHAT THE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Oh she was awake and thinking when he goes to work I am gonna shit all over the place for him to clean. LOL! mine gets pissed and eats my gfs shoes....... i dont mind cuz her heels make my ankles swell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alab32 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 mine gets pissed and eats my gfs shoes....... i dont mind cuz her heels make my ankles swell. I know the feeling. This weekend was rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSB67 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) care to elaborate?My point was really to get some clarification about what people really meant by "stopping power."the notion that a bullet will knock someone over or somehow impede their forward progress for any reason beyond pain seems flatly wrong from a physics standpoint.It has nothing to do with physically stopping the momentum of a moving mass, it is complete incapacitation of the target via major internal damage. Here's a read for you on the problems with projectiles that "pierce":http://www.texassmallarmsresearch.com/TechInfo/556Performance/556Performance.pdfPages 3 and 16 make the main point Edited October 12, 2010 by brn6604 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 A quality self-defense round will expand upon impact' date=' causing a greater percussion to the body and internal organs. A good example, since you mention physics, would be to poke your wife in the chest with your index finger, then punch her in the chest with a closed fist at the same speed. Not exactly a perfect experiment, but it is a fair illustration. The slower and fatter the round, the more damage it will do the the target. You don't want to "pierce" the target. You want to blow what's inside of it to hell and back, while keeping the penetration only on one side.... the side you fire at. This is for home defense, like you asked for.[/quote']You should be a teacher, the kids would love your power point slides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 It has nothing to do with physically stopping the momentum of a moving mass, it is complete incapacitation of the target via major internal damage. Here's a read for you on the problems with projectiles that "pierce":http://www.texassmallarmsresearch.com/TechInfo/556Performance/556Performance.pdfPages 3 and 16 make the main pointthanks - and that makes more sense. If the round tumbles after entering the target, I can see how that, combined with additional mass would cause a lot more impact than a bullet that simply pierces.so now I want 3 guns instead of one should probably still stick with a shotgun as my first firearm, but a .22 will definitely be on the list. Tpoppa's revolver is still an option I'm considering... 9" barrel means I won't have many excuses for not being accurate though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Or just buy something like this and you get four in one! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=194524808 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 (edited) ^ actually that looks like a nice way to go...what are the drawbacks? internet says it's a single-shot model. seems inconvenient, especially for home defense... Edited October 12, 2010 by redkow97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 .17 is a little nasty fast round like a .22 on roids it is rimfire not much knock down, but will take any small game and shoot very flat. The .243 is a hunting round could be used on anything from groundhogs up to deer (or zombies), it is a centerfire rifle round. And the two shotgun barrels are 20, 12ga multi use barrels also a center fire type round. Draw backs are slow rate of fire, lower end brand. About all I can think of. They are very easy to clean as the gun comes apart very fast/easy. Ease of use, pull the hammer back and you are good to go. They have a hammer block when the safety is on so the hammer can not slip and hit the firing pin. I have a youth set for my boys with the 22lr and 20ga setup. It shoots very well for the price of the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Added plus is you can pick up other barrels in different calibers. Rossi has almost every popular round from what I have seen. Shotguns they make .410,20,12 and for rifles I have seen .22,.17hmr,22-250, 243, 270, 30-06, .308, might be others but I have seen these for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 the single-shot thing kind of sucks, and the lightness of the gun means that a 12 gauge is going to kick like hell, no?but the versatility might just be worth it... the wife said one firearm; she didn't say anything about having 10 different barrels are these strictly designed as "youth" guns, or could I take one to the range without being mocked too mercilessly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 The one I posted is a full size gun it also has wood stock and forgrip which means it is not to light. You can add a limb saver stock pad if it kicks to hard I need one for my kids youth model as the shot gun is brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 They make for a good starter gun as you can have multipal calibers with one "gun", Also the cost is not to high, It would be a good starting point for someone who has never owned a gun, or has little experience shooting one. They shoot quicker then most bolt actions I have used, as long as you have your round out of the box where you can grab them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 bow and arrow with explosive tip. problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 He could act like Bo and Luke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 They make for a good starter gun as you can have multipal calibers with one "gun", Also the cost is not to high, It would be a good starting point for someone who has never owned a gun, or has little experience shooting one. They shoot quicker then most bolt actions I have used, as long as you have your round out of the box where you can grab them.this sounds just about perfect. .22 for plinking around, 12ga for home defense or shooting clays, and then something in between for when the zombies come (something legal to hunt with if i wanted, so 243 is probably out...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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