SWing'R Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 You can open carry it anywhere you could concealed, so no Gov't agencies, schools, establishments serving liquor, etc. Thats kinda what I was looking for, the do's and don't's. So bars are a no no for either open or concealed carry?What about the whole "no concealed carry / weapons" signs at private businesses? Because they are a private establishement, what is or could be the penalty if you were caught carrying in them? Or is there actually no penalty, they just try and keep you from doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 (edited) Civil trespass, directly from the Ohio attny general - if it's in a vehicle or parking lothttp://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/getattachment/6cbc82c0-21e6-4db1-b6e0-545e3970ee03/2009-Concealed-Carry-Laws-Booklet.aspxPage 23Criminal trespass if you actually take it into an establishmenthttp://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.126ORC 2923.126 Sec C.3.a(3) (a) Except as provided in division ©(3)(b) of this section, the owner or person in control of private land or premises, and a private person or entity leasing land or premises owned by the state, the United States, or a political subdivision of the state or the United States, may post a sign in a conspicuous location on that land or on those premises prohibiting persons from carrying firearms or concealed firearms on or onto that land or those premises. Except as otherwise provided in this division, a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature is guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If a person knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature and the posted land or premises primarily was a parking lot or other parking facility, the person is not guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and instead is subject only to a civil cause of action for trespass based on the violation. Edited December 31, 2010 by JRMMiii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Civil trespass, directly from the Ohio attny generalhttp://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/getattachment/6cbc82c0-21e6-4db1-b6e0-545e3970ee03/2009-Concealed-Carry-Laws-Booklet.aspxPage 23Thanks. I gotta bookmark all the links you guys are givin me, I probablyneed to change the title of this thread to "Considering 1st purchase, LOTS of questions" But you guys know you love talking about this shit anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblosser Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Correct, no guns, open or concealed, in bars serving liquor. The statute specifically says "liquor", so <perhaps> a beer-only bar would be "ok", but I'm not testing the law...If the store is posted as a CPZ (Criminal Protection Zone, a.k.a. "don't carry in my store"), then normally you would be asked to leave if they saw the gun. You leave, no probs. You don't leave, you're trespassing and can be charged with whatever level misdemeanor that is.You can always say you didn't see the sign, but when asked by the store, you hafta comply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Thanks again. May check out the gun show tomorrow @ Westland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Right now' date=' home defense. Later on possible concealed carry. Tell me a little about "open carry". What can you and can you not do?Baby steps. Baby steps [/quote']Basically Ohio has no law against the open carry of a handgun. (Bottom of page 18. http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/getattachment/6cbc82c0-21e6-4db1-b6e0-545e3970ee03/2009-Concealed-Carry-Laws-Booklet.aspx)This means anyone can put a holster on their hip with a handgun in it and walk down the streets of Columbus or into a any establishment that doesn't forbid the carry of firearms. If you open carry, the gun must be visible at all times. Don't cover it with your shirt or jacket. Also don't use one of those military style holsters that have the flap on it. You cannot open carry into a motor vehicle. Even if it is on plain sight on you, when you get into a car or on a bike, it is considered concealed carry and you need a permit. This means you would have to unload the gun including any magazines and/or speed loaders. A semi auto with the magazine removed but still full of rounds is still a loaded firearm. Even if one is in the trunk and the other in the glove box.Any establishment that doesn't want people carrying firearms are supposed to post a sign. This is the way the concealed carry book reads:SignageThe law does not say precisely what language must be on the sign. At a minimum, signs must be conspicuous and inform people that firearms and/or concealed handguns are prohibited. However, the law suggests that the prohibited locations post a sign that substantially says the following: Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code, no person shall knowingly possess, have under the person’s control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadly handgun or dangerous ordnance onto these premises. Page 17 of the link posted earlier. My emphasis added with the bold. If a place posts a sign I won't go in unless I have to. If they want to take away my self defense, I don't give them my money. I prefer open carry most of the time. It is easier to draw if needed and I prefer a show of force. It's also amazing how nice people become when I open carry. Before anyone jumps me, I don't OC so people are nice, that is just an observation of when I do. I also usually present a professional appearance. I won't wear baggy jeans down to my ass and a ac/dc t-shirt. If I look like a professional and know what I am doing, there are less people and police gonna mess with me. If you are really interested, I meet with a group of people once a month who all open carry. We'll go to parks or restaurants and have a good time. You are more than welcome to come along with your wife. Like I've told others, if you wanna go out an OC, let me know, I'll go with you.It's all personal preference if you carry concealed or open or carry at all. Remember that carrying a sidearm brings a lot of responsibility. Just research the laws and talk with people. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer or police officer. I am not responsible for your actions. It is your responsibility to research the laws before you decide to carry. I have only explained my views of the laws and may make mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblosser Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Thanks again. May check out the gun show tomorrow @ Westland.If you're riding there after the Polar Bear thing, I'll go with ya, assuming it's not raining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 The first link I sent you for buckeye firearms has a lot of laws. Places where you cannot carry are on there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Plz note I edited my last post. There is a CRIMINAL trespassing charge if you carry into an establishment with a sign. It's an M4, so max punishment is 30 days + $250 fine.http://www.clelaw.lib.oh.us/public/misc/faqs/sentencing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Sorry I will not open carry. To many people freak out about it around here. Now if they see me print and know what I have under my shirt whatever. Maybe down by you cbus peeps they are more accepting of open carry but cleveland not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 If you're riding there after the Polar Bear thing, I'll go with ya, assuming it's not raining.Not riding to the show, and not going on the polar bear run. It is supposedto rain and be a high of 37, at least last time I checked.Not even a 100% sure if I'm going, just tossing the idea around with the wife right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Sorry I will not open carry. To many people freak out about it around here. Now if they see me print and know what I have under my shirt whatever. Maybe down by you cbus peeps they are more accepting of open carry but cleveland not so much.Yeah I won't open carry up around the Cleveland area. The police there are ignorant and arrogant. Did you see the video of the guy up around you open carrying for the fourth of July? It was either this last 4th or the year before. Cops stopped him for OC'ing and he goes "There is no law against it." Female cop goes "I don't know what you think you know about the law, but we know the law." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted December 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Yeah I won't open carry up around the Cleveland area. The police there are ignorant and arrogant. Did you see the video of the guy up around you open carrying for the fourth of July? It was either this last 4th or the year before. Cops stopped him for OC'ing and he goes "There is no law against it." Female cop goes "I don't know what you think you know about the law, but we know the law." Sounds like you and your friends need to plan a roadtrip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 Yeah cops and park ranger are even worse. They think it is illegal to drive thru a metropark with my ccw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted December 31, 2010 Report Share Posted December 31, 2010 We are planning an open carry ride(we all have chl) I need to pick up a thigh rig still.should be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted January 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Melissa and I went to the gun show @ Westland today. I'd never been to one before, it was pretty cool. For as hesitant as the wife has been about the whole idea of getting a gun I was surprised (and kinda scared) tosee her picking up machine guns and saying shit like "oh yeah now that's what I'm talkin about" Perhaps it won't be as hard as I thought to talk her into it Got to pickup and hold a few revolvers, I definitely like them, I think I likethe silver w/black grips better than all black ones. No purchases today.Still got some looking around to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Everybody who wants to grab some of Daves stuff, better do it now while he's still unarmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 All personal preference, but I like my gun's all black or blued. I prefer the tactical advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SnOmAn| Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Yeah, I just picked up my first two handguns this past year, 2010. I now have my CHL and carry when I feel comfortable doing it. I actually carried all the way to Florida. If you want to learn more, take the CHL class. I learned quite a bit when taking it. A lot of these questions you are asking are talked about.Question about the "plain view". I don't think it has to be in plain view anymore, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 Yeah, I just picked up my first two handguns this past year, 2010. I now have my CHL and carry when I feel comfortable doing it. I actually carried all the way to Florida. If you want to learn more, take the CHL class. I learned quite a bit when taking it. A lot of these questions you are asking are talked about.Question about the "plain view". I don't think it has to be in plain view anymore, correct?Posts 11 and 12. http://www.ohio-riders.com/showthread.php?p=598976#post598976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|SnOmAn| Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I thought so... Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 I thought so... Thankslol, np. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusion Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/ohio.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggO Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 . I actually carried all the way to Florida. Be careful in Georgia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggO Posted January 2, 2011 Report Share Posted January 2, 2011 . I actually carried all the way to Florida. Be careful in Georgia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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