Tpoppa Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, Lawrence1 said: You guys regaling us with your stories of how your old ammo goes bang do realize you're probably not getting the full velocity right? That would be a failure. Probably? If it was stored in reasonable conditions, the propellant and primer should be fine. If powder wasn't burning you'd have a really dirty firearm, and cycling failures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Lawrence1 said: Ever wonder why militaries sell off their old ammo? because if they don't spend, their budgets get cut? Edited August 31, 2018 by motocat12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vf1000ride Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Lawrence1 said: You guys regaling us with your stories of how your old ammo goes bang do realize you're probably not getting the full velocity right? That would be a failure. Ever wonder why militaries sell off their old ammo? I hope that's not your go to round to defend your families with. The .30-06 is still full velocity, I was averaging 2600fps for the AP rounds and the standard ball ammo was right around 2800fps which matches the army manuals within about 50fps. Never ran the .303 Brit across the chronograph but it was normal for felt recoil. I know the US military hasn't fielded a firearm chambered in .30-06 since the Korean war so I doubt they have a reason to keep huge stockpiles of 60-70 year old ammo. No clue when the British shelved the .303 cartridge but I am sure it was around the time that 7.62Nato took over. As for defending myself with a 100 year old bolt action British rifle, that would be a poor choice regardless of it being old/new/reloaded ammo. The Garand in .30-06 is not an ideal choice but it is way better than a bolt gun. BTW my house gun is a 12gauge pump. As for ammo effectiveness on the 70 year old .30-06 armor piercing ammo. Here is the front and back side of a piece of 3/4inch thick plate steel where several of the bullets had no problem pushing out the back side. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence1 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 There you have it people, no need to be anally retentive about your ammo. Just disregard what the manufacturer's, industry experts and militaries around the world recommend. Through extensive testing from many hours at the bench our very own Ohio Riders ballistician has decreed old ammo is as good as new! (well, almost). Heading out west on that once in a lifetime bull elk hunt? Go ahead and pick up that old box of 30-06 you seen at the yard sale. When he stumbles off and your guide hangs his head in disbelief just act surprised. While you're at it, pick up that old box of Remington-Peters shot shells that you seen too and load those in your home defense Zombie killin 12ga pump. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, Lawrence1 said: There you have it people, no need to be anally retentive about your ammo. Just disregard what the manufacturer's, industry experts and militaries around the world recommend. Through extensive testing from many hours at the bench our very own Ohio Riders ballistician has decreed old ammo is as good as new! (well, almost). Heading out west on that once in a lifetime bull elk hunt? Go ahead and pick up that old box of 30-06 you seen at the yard sale. When he stumbles off and your guide hangs his head in disbelief just act surprised. While you're at it, pick up that old box of Remington-Peters shot shells that you seen too and load those in your home defense Zombie killin 12ga pump. 😁 ^^ Hates hearing counter points...so get sarcastic as a defense mechanism. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 Never had much of a problem with old or surplus ammo. Works better than some store bought reloads I've tried. Less misfires or low power shots than with my early attempts at reloading, heh. I will say that back in the 90s, we avoided Pakistani surplus 30-06. Like never. A lot of it was over charged with powder or wrong type powder, and sold as surplus. One thing you should do, is not fire any cartridge brass that is badly corroded. If nothing else, they like to get stuck in the chamber of the barrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vf1000ride Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 37 minutes ago, Lawrence1 said: There you have it people, no need to be anally retentive about your ammo. Just disregard what the manufacturer's, industry experts and militaries around the world recommend. Through extensive testing from many hours at the bench our very own Ohio Riders ballistician has decreed old ammo is as good as new! (well, almost). Heading out west on that once in a lifetime bull elk hunt? Go ahead and pick up that old box of 30-06 you seen at the yard sale. When he stumbles off and your guide hangs his head in disbelief just act surprised. While you're at it, pick up that old box of Remington-Peters shot shells that you seen too and load those in your home defense Zombie killin 12ga pump. 😁 My situation is actually the opposite of your thinking. I am very anal retentive about my ammo. I probably have more money wrapped up in ammo than most people have in their entire gun collection and treating it as good as my gun collection keeps it in good shooting condition for many decades to come. All of my ammo is stored either in it's own locked gun safe or in sealed steel military ammo cans. If you want to limit the discussion to only hunting/self defense than sure, change your ammo out for the latest and greatest each season. Advances in bullet tech alone justify that. My self defense pistol ammo is changed out every 6 months as I shoot my way through the supply practicing at the range. I will gladly take all your outdated ammo, I'm sure I can find something to shoot it from that doesn't care that it's 5-10 years old and outdated tech. To drop a blanket statement on the situation that says that ammo should be discarded every ten years because it is old is patently untrue. You need to asses the conditions it was stored in. If you pull a 5 year old moldy box of .30-30 from grand-pops shed and the brass has turned green I would promptly throw the stuff in the trash. On the flip side, a sealed steel can of ammo from WWII that doesn't have any rust, that still had a good vacuum on it when opened and the brass cases inside are still nice and shiny it is good to go. I have run into plenty of surplus over the years from third world countries that was absolute trash, the stuff coming out of Pakistan and Korea was some of the worst. US, Russian, Polish and British surplus tend to be very good if you stick with the visual indicators. One of these days I should pull all my ammo out and take a picture of it. I know I have over 15K rounds but haven't taken a detailed count in probably 6-7 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 https://www.propublica.org/article/the-myth-of-drug-expiration-dates https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/sell-and-best-dates-food-are-basically-made-hard-get-rid-180950304/ And don't forget to change your oil every 3,000 miles. Because companies that exist to make profits would never attempt to trick you into spending more of your money to increase those profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 25 minutes ago, vf1000ride said: I have run into plenty of surplus over the years from third world countries that was absolute trash, the stuff coming out of Pakistan and Korea was some of the worst. US, Russian, Polish and British surplus tend to be very good if you stick with the visual indicators. I've heard not to bother with ammo that comes from countries where you'd be afraid to drink the water. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 The only truly bad ammo I've ever came across was some kind of surplus eastern European 9mm tracer ammo from the cold war. They were on stripper clips and had a greasy feel to them. By the look of them they were not stored in proper conditions. A few of them fired, but I'd have been better off throwing them at a target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheAzn Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 ... I really need to go shooting. Haven't gone in over a year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vf1000ride Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 So are you ready for ammo porn. I added up the easy to get to stuff, took more than one picture as the pile was getting a little large. First picture is all .30-06, ended up counting out 4,120 or so rounds of that stuff. Second photo is the following calibers: .22 (5K), 30 Carbine (870), 9mm (1K), 45acp (500), .303Brit (400), 7.62x39 (1K), 7.62x54R (1180) and 5.56 (800). Sorry to say I am not dragging out all the 12gauge for a photo op but the total round count for what is in the two pictures is roughly 14,900. If you add in the 600 or so shotshells I have it puts me over the 15K ballpark figure I mentioned before. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiro Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 Is Blazer Brass Black good? There is a $20 rebate on it right now, up to $100, and Academy has it on sale. It's $85 for 500 rounds of 9mm before rebate and tax. Free shipping. For me with 7% tax that works out to 14.19 cents per round if my maths is correct. Other calibers are $80 for 300-350 rounds. Also noticed Hornady Critical Defense 9mm for $17.https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/blazer-brass-black-pack-9mm-luger-115-grain-centerfire-pistol-ammunitionhttps://www.academy.com/content/dam/academysports/rebates/OT1103_BlackPackBucks_Promo_Coupon_Print_f.pdfhttps://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/hornady-critical-defense®-9-mm-luger-115-grain-handgun-ammunition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 Have not used much Blazer of any type. I would think it's fine for target shooting. As with any ammo in a semi-auto, it needs to feed and function reasonably well. Older weapons do not like some of the newer design shapes and can fail. If anything, I've had more trouble with Remington, but only in certain semi-autos. I prefer brass casings, to be used for reloading. Hornady FTX Critical Defense (and other FTX designs) and Sig Sauer V-Crown are both highly rated defensive ammo. Both meet FBI criteria. There's some talk of FBI and government switching to one or the other brand. Basically, the newer design hollow points just work that much better than the older designs. Previous designs were known to fail in the presence of heavy winter clothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiro Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/23/2018 at 10:19 AM, ReconRat said: Have not used much Blazer of any type. I would think it's fine for target shooting. As with any ammo in a semi-auto, it needs to feed and function reasonably well. Older weapons do not like some of the newer design shapes and can fail. If anything, I've had more trouble with Remington, but only in certain semi-autos. I prefer brass casings, to be used for reloading. Hornady FTX Critical Defense (and other FTX designs) and Sig Sauer V-Crown are both highly rated defensive ammo. Both meet FBI criteria. There's some talk of FBI and government switching to one or the other brand. Basically, the newer design hollow points just work that much better than the older designs. Previous designs were known to fail in the presence of heavy winter clothing. I heard of feed problems with flat nosed target ammo. As far as shorter barrel pistols like a small .380, I've been hearing that XTP rounds are better. For our still kinda short 9mm 3.1" and 3.4" barrel pistols, we have a box of FTX. I choose Critical Defense because of the description that it penetrates a little less and is more likely to expand than open hollow points. I'd prefer lower barrier penetration and human pass-through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Mac Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 I am looking for some 12 Gauge 00 Buck, 2-3/4" Reduced Recoil Personal Defense Ammunition. Seems to be a shortage. Anyone!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Mac said: I am looking for some 12 Gauge 00 Buck, 2-3/4" Reduced Recoil Personal Defense Ammunition. Seems to be a shortage. Anyone!!! Only see one so far, Bud's Gun Shop mail order. https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411559293 I never found any more 00 or 000, I picked up a big box of Fiocci LE #4 instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Mac Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 47 minutes ago, ReconRat said: Only see one so far, Bud's Gun Shop mail order. https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411559293 I never found any more 00 or 000, I picked up a big box of Fiocci LE #4 instead. Thank you, ordered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Is it crazy now a good deal on ammo is 79 cents a round? 🤯 I bought a 1200 rd case of 556 for 685. I didn't listen to everyone and bought some before everything went crazy. Just shrugged it off as another knee jerk reaction by everyone. But dayum, it's not letting up. Now I had to pay a premium. Can't get any practice in. Edited January 8, 2021 by serpentracer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 6:38 AM, serpentracer said: Is it crazy now a good deal on ammo is 79 cents a round? 🤯 I bought a 1200 rd case of 556 for 685. I didn't listen to everyone and bought some before everything went crazy. Just shrugged it off as another knee jerk reaction by everyone. But dayum, it's not letting up. Now I had to pay a premium. Can't get any practice in. Letting up? You may still have gotten this stock before yet another jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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