Simplysix Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 damn http://beta.local.yahoo.com/news-casino-collapse-being-investigated-osha-www-whiotv-com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStump Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Same company who owns the one in Cleveland that collapsed. They are trying to build them too fast and not letting cement dry properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 God hates casinos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruit Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 (edited) ...And then a bus crashed into the the news crew van during a live broadcast about safety concerns at the site.Ironing. Edited January 27, 2012 by Scruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrown57 Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Heard this all day on the radio and yet it never crossed my mind to post it here I hate Cincinnati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblosser Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Degenerates will have to lose their paycheck out-of-state for a little longer.Darn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Same company who owns the one in Cleveland that collapsed. They are trying to build them too fast and not letting cement dry properly.that's the same thought that went through my mind when I seen it on the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jst2fst Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Well looks like they got a mess on their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStump Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Ironing.Are you a woman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Wow!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuikAccord Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 that's what you get when you don't hire union. Wait... What was that? Oh... Bummer.qft!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 damn http://beta.local.yahoo.com/news-casino-collapse-being-investigated-osha-www-whiotv-comWeak. No pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) Cincinnati:http://s3.amazonaws.com/newscloud-production/newscloudcms/2012/01/4f22df507fd0dc19d20000b4/photos/1029764/original.jpg?1327685525Cleveland:http://media.cleveland.com/metro/photo/10493585-large.jpgGives me a warm fuzzy feeling about going in a poorly built casino full of people... or not.edit: In the Cincinnati pic: I-beam shear rivets failed. They... well... they sheared... nice design.You can see where the middle horizontal I-beam simply fell to the ground.The Cleveland pic it appears something pretty much the same happened. A center I-beam dropped.edit: How would that happen. Assuming that proper strength rivets were used, the rivet has to fully form in the drilled holes (properly lined up drilled holes). If it does not, then a tiny spot on top of the rivet in the hole, takes the full load and it starts to break/crack. You need both experienced riveters and good inspectors. As usual, about three things have to go wrong before you'll get a major disaster/failure. The rivets might not have been strong enough, giving it the third wrong. Edited January 28, 2012 by ReconRat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mello dude Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 It's too big a coincidence that both sites had failures. It has to be something in common like an engineering eff up, bad materials or name it. I'm sure OHSA is gonna have a hay day with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandit12 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Same company, non-union workers, foul play? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 foul play? Just a thought.I'd bet against it. The cards are stacked in favor of bad construction. Wonder if the bookies are giving odds on it happening in Columbus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrown57 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 The big thing on the radio was these things:1. Rushing and taking shortcuts to meet time requirements2. Steel imported from China that is just crap and not made well like American Steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSparky Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 So long as you test a sample and have the right constituents, steel is steel. Do they just assume that what they are buying is perfect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snot Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) I would of thought OSHA would of been more involved with safety on such alarge project.Should of used Inconel instead of just steel. The rivets could of been the wrong length too. Edited January 28, 2012 by snot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 The big thing on the radio was these things:1. Rushing and taking shortcuts to meet time requirements2. Steel imported from China that is just crap and not made well like American SteelSteel today is just not of the same integrity. When we lost all the steel industry to the offshore along with it went quality. All the 're manufacturing' of scrap steel has to effect its strength among other things, or so I'm told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSB67 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I'm no engineer, but it looks like a design flaw to me, which could include overestimation of material properties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 (edited) I'm no engineer, but it looks like a design flaw to me, which could include overestimation of material properties.probable but highly unlikely. there are so many engineers that go over those plans it would make it highly doubtful all of them overlooked a design flaw.besides buildings have to be built to a building code. the engineers at the building dept approved the drawings too. and those codes are not thought up by one guy in a few minutes.and they are being investigated about how much of a rush they're working. either someone installed some things wrong or something got overlooked. Edited January 28, 2012 by serpentracer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrant Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Same company, non-union workers, foul play? Just a thought.Same designer, and engineer. Different G/C's and project managers. Same building owner. All union contractors. Foul play, I don't think would even enter into my mind.I have some plumber buddies that were on that deck the day before putting in sleeves for piping. They have said that there was the obvious rush, but not to the point of putting in stuff half a$$ed. But a push nonetheless. Rain has been stressing the schedules down there.-Might be a design flaw in steel sizing?-If there was bare ground underneath with piers and the beams were mounted to the piers. Did they sink in the ground when the weight was applied (concrete), by not getting a good ground compaction test? -Could the rivets been sized incorrectly for the shear strength that was going to be applied? Or bad rivets? I'm sure a metallurgist will be involved, I've seen them in cases where this has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buildit Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 probable but highly unlikely. there are so many engineers that go over thoseHave you ever worked with engineers? They could miss tires on a car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpentracer Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) Have you ever worked with engineers? They could miss tires on a car trust me the people at the building dept don't miss much. that's also why they send out inspectors for each phase of construction. one part has to pass before you can begin on the other.so that means 1st the pier holes were inspected. they look for the correct size and depth to meet codes. then the forms (the rebar etc) was inspected before the concrete was poured over them.then the framing of the metal structure was inspected before the concrete on it was poured and so on...the only thing the inspectors never care about is the "quality" of the work being done. they only care about if your structure is built to the building codes they have in place.some of the stuff we built we did to what our engineer had on the drawing. and that was passed by the building dept. and when the inspector came out he made us change it. often it was made us add more fasteners to something or another brace to something. usually always something dumb like that just so he/she felt better on signing off on the work. Edited January 29, 2012 by serpentracer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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