Scruit Posted June 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Calculator to figure out your payment for health care:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you/#So, How much does it cost?For me it's only about $300/mo In the old days when I could get health care through my employer it was about $70/mo. I sure am happy about the improvement.I didn't see where it estimated my cost...In the old days I could get insurance for 50/pay. Of course now I'm older, have a child, married etc, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 thank you wikipediasocialism has other definitions, too... but it doesn't stop the conservative base from labeling everything the government does that they don't like "socialism" and depending on that age old connection to "communism" and the stigma attached to communism by the old ussr...This conservative just calls it tyranny by statism. It's got the stink of socialism on it, but it's actually more rotten.When you have a government compelling a person by tax/fine and punishment to purchase a private product, it's something utterly new and entirely out of the scope of anything the Federal Government has ever been able to do....wholly and grossly out of bounds for the concepts this nation was founded on.It's not a matter of "not liking it", it wouldn't' matter if it directly benefits most of the people in this nation (it will not, in fact it will harm far more than it ever helps), it's disgustingly in violation of the concept of individual freedom. The Founding Fathers could power a fucking city with the force they're spinning at right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 For me it's only about $300/mo In the old days when I could get health care through my employer it was about $70/mo. I sure am happy about the improvement.Back when a hamburger was a nickel and you could get a root beer float from the soda jerk for a couple pennies.So it's the gov'ts fault that healthcare is $300/mo (still dunno where you got that number from), not your employers for reducing your benefits coverage? Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 can we get some super mod powers to merge the 2 threads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Back when a hamburger was a nickel and you could get a root beer float from the soda jerk for a couple pennies.So it's the gov'ts fault that healthcare is $300/mo (still dunno where you got that number from), not your employers for reducing your benefits coverage? Got it.you ever done benefits coverage for a company? Fucking sucks to balance employee happiness vs realistic employer budget. This just makes it a lot harder to the point where companies will get rid of their programs all together or simply lay off people who cause the rates to go upAs I said I don't know much about the bill and its merits and bullshits, just how it will effect employers employees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.W. Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Me: That looks a lot like a tax.Obama: No no no. I promise, it is not a tax.Supreme court: It's a tax.Obama: Hooray, I win!Me: I wonder who just lost My summary of the decision: Chief Justice Roberts wrote, “makes going without insurance just another thing the Government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income. And if the mandate is in effect just a tax hike on certain taxpayers who do not have health insurance, it may be within Congress’s constitutional power to tax.” BUT, President Obama said,http://youtu.be/5_-qh9XDbgE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 you can't call something a tax, and expect republicans to vote for it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 The only queston i have is how do they handle all the illegal immigrants in this country? Really not being a smart ass just trying to figure out who pays for them? And YES i realize we are paying for them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) The only queston i have is how do they handle all the illegal immigrants in this country? Really not being a smart ass just trying to figure out who pays for them? And YES i realize we are paying for them now.they are in the same boat...we need to build a wall around china to keep them illegals out of the USA Edited June 28, 2012 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.W. Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 you can't call something a tax, and expect republicans to vote for it...Nixon introduced what is now known as "Obamacare" in 1974. It was a turd then and it is a turd now. I wouldn't vote for it no matter what it's called.Interestingly, I'm not even a Republican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 you ever done benefits coverage for a company? Fucking sucks to balance employee happiness vs realistic employer budget. This just makes it a lot harder to the point where companies will get rid of their programs all together or simply lay off people who cause the rates to go up I don't need to have gone through a benefits exercise to understand the math. If my employer has 10 people on staff at 'x' salary and 'y'*10 benefits cost. If they add 3 more people, then they should increase the benefits pool to accomodate the three additional headcounts (y*13), not say "Well, everyone has the same benefits, it'll just be 10/13 * y now." So, my employer gets three additional people raising their productivity and profit, while I get my benefits reduced at the SAME workload. Not really a win for the employee, but a win-win for the employER.As I said I don't know much about the bill and its merits and bullshits, just how it will effect employers employeesIt would probably behoove you to dig a little deeper into the bill and what exactly it's affecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 can we get some super mod powers to merge the 2 threads?No, its more fun watching you run back and forth defending this stupidity like a plate spinner at the circus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.W. Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 no, its more fun watching you run back and forth defending this stupidity like a plate spinner at the circus.haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 we need to build a wall around china to keep them illegals out of the usaqft!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 No, its more fun watching you run back and forth defending this stupidity like a plate spinner at the circus.haha, 2 tabs ftw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I don't need to have gone through a benefits exercise to understand the math. If my employer has 10 people on staff at 'x' salary and 'y'*10 benefits cost. If they add 3 more people, then they should increase the benefits pool to accomodate the three additional headcounts (y*13), not say "Well, everyone has the same benefits, it'll just be 10/13 * y now." So, my employer gets three additional people raising their productivity and profit, while I get my benefits reduced at the SAME workload. Not really a win for the employee, but a win-win for the employER.It would probably behoove you to dig a little deeper into the bill and what exactly it's affecting.that isn't how benefits work at all. It is not that cut and dry, if it was everyone would be happier and imo it should work out that way. Unfortunately, it does not and there are way more issues than just a headcount and a rate.honestly, I know I should but quite frankly I don't want to because all I care about is the $ effect on myself and my business. I could give a shit about people and their general well being as its widely known how I feel about most of the US population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashweights Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 The only queston i have is how do they handle all the illegal immigrants in this country? Really not being a smart ass just trying to figure out who pays for them? And YES i realize we are paying for them now.That's actually a question I was wondering: how will the mandate be enforced? Will hospitals be forced to report people without health insurance? Will we annually provide proof of insurance? I've often heard "we all have to buy car insurance" but there really isn't enforcement of that until you get caught driving uninsured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Since this will be enforced by the IRS, I would assume there will be a form where you provide proof of insurance at tax time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 I've often heard "we all have to buy car insurance" but there really isn't enforcement of that until you get caught driving uninsured.you have never received the random letter from the state asking you to prove that you have insurance.http://bmv.ohio.gov/faq_random_selection.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 you have never received the random letter from the state asking you to prove that you have insurance.http://bmv.ohio.gov/faq_random_selection.stmI have....if a car is registered, it must be insured, regardless of if you have driven it anywhere...something a friend of mine wasn't aware of, and it almost bit him. (he has 30+ cars, and over half of them are registered, but he only drives a handful of them regularly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashweights Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 you have never received the random letter from the state asking you to prove that you have insurance.http://bmv.ohio.gov/faq_random_selection.stmNope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 you have never received the random letter from the state asking you to prove that you have insurance.http://bmv.ohio.gov/faq_random_selection.stmDifferent. You're not required to own a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Different. You're not required to own a car.true...kudos to youyou're also not required to earn more than the poverty level... in which case the government provides you with health coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.W. Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 Different. You're not required to own a car.Why does no one else understand this?You cannot equate the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.W. Posted June 28, 2012 Report Share Posted June 28, 2012 true...kudos to youyou're also not required to earn more than the poverty level... in which case the government provides you with health coverage.So, if I stop working and earn less than what is considered the "poverty level" will Obama buy me a car too?(I demand the public has to pay my vehicle insurance too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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