Photos by Marty Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I've seen that guy! And while he is that way, he's pretty close to the ground himself, so the helmet doesn't fall very far.:asshole: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Copeland Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Handies ARE HJ's.Someone please take his ghey card.Bull Shite !!!The last time you gave me a Handie,you said HJ's were extra !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 i'll use whatever helmet i want craig, you helmet nazi. it can't more than 5 years old? what are you, a helmet pedophile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHill Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Just watch out for the closeouts, they may already be past the 5 year mark.I was concerned about the mfg date and figured I'd lose out on a little life with the closeout. I think the date on mine was late 2011. If it was earlier I would have requested credit toward a different helmet.I don't really understand the 5yr limit. I've read that mfgrs claim sweat and use can degrade adhesives, but they still warranty for 5 yrs from purchase date(assumed first day of use). If the helmet is sitting in a box, why does it have a limited shelf life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVTPilot Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I was concerned about the mfg date and figured I'd lose out on a little life with the closeout. I think the date on mine was late 2011. If it was earlier I would have requested credit toward a different helmet.I don't really understand the 5yr limit. I've read that mfgrs claim sweat and use can degrade adhesives, but they still warranty for 5 yrs from purchase date(assumed first day of use). If the helmet is sitting in a box, why does it have a limited shelf life?What was once explained to me that made a little bit of sense was the shelf life of the EPS inner shell. Think of a styrofoam cooler. How over time, even without use, the pellets become disconnected. That loss of structural integrity over time is the reasoning behind that. Most helmet manufacturers won't warranty a lid beyond that timeframe due to that. So to cover their own asses, a sanctioning body won't allow you to ride at their event with a lid the manufacturer wouldn't stand behind. I am sure it's the result of some lost litigation sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 It all depends on how it is stored. Temp, uv and other factors degrade the helmet. Almost every race org has a 5 year limit from the date on the helmet as there is really no other way of knowing when it was purchased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Copeland Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Marty,Do you actually check Date of manufacture or just the condition of the helmet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Marty,Do you actually check Date of manufacture or just the condition of the helmet?The date is only for racers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 And yes they do check the actual date for racers. I like it, my nogging isn't worth a lot anymore but I like to protect what I have left. Todd's good people and always putting our safety first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHill Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 What was once explained to me that made a little bit of sense was the shelf life of the EPS inner shell. Think of a styrofoam cooler. How over time, even without use, the pellets become disconnected. That loss of structural integrity over time is the reasoning behind that. Most helmet manufacturers won't warranty a lid beyond that timeframe due to that. So to cover their own asses, a sanctioning body won't allow you to ride at their event with a lid the manufacturer wouldn't stand behind. I am sure it's the result of some lost litigation sometime.Foam is a lot more robust than what we give it credit for. They use EPS "geofoam" for building support beds for roadways. The problem is containimates, like gas for a roadway, that the foam could possibly be exposed to. In a box, inside a store, the helmet shouldn't really be exposed to anything that would degrade the foam. I guess it doesn't really matter, just find it contradictive the warranty is based off sale date and use for racing is based off mfg date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVTPilot Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Foam is a lot more robust than what we give it credit for. They use EPS "geofoam" for building support beds for roadways. The problem is containimates, like gas for a roadway, that the foam could possibly be exposed to. In a box, inside a store, the helmet shouldn't really be exposed to anything that would degrade the foam. I guess it doesn't really matter, just find it contradictive the warranty is based off sale date and use for racing is based off mfg date.Agreed. Like I said it makes a little sense, but I know I have a 5+ yr old lid that I would completely trust saving my head. I guess as a sanctioning org you have to have some form of limits on safety gear, especially for racers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Again, it's because the org doesn't know when you purchased it. To make it easy on them and probably to help with insurance they cut it at 5 from the sticker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHill Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Again, it's because the org doesn't know when you purchased it. To make it easy on them and probably to help with insurance they cut it at 5 from the sticker.It is probably better having a concrete rule than having people coming up and saying they lost their receipt, but the helmet is only 2 yrs old, but was mfgd in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 The date is only for racers.Wrong. It apparently applies to everyone. I was told to replace my old Arai or run the risk of not being able to do future track days with MS.I'll even give you three guesses who it was that ratted me out to Todd and the first two don't count (no it wasn't our new skinny friend, Marty). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 No shit? Cuz I asked last year and they said I could ride with it but not race, BUT I don't disagree with that, becasue if you tech Fri/Sat you really dont "have" to Sunday, although, maybe that should change... ?? And just make everyone retech Sunday AM? Recruit some of us non MS guys to help with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Wrong. It apparently applies to everyone. I was told to replace my old Arai or run the risk of not being able to do future track days with MS.I'll even give you three guesses who it was that ratted me out to Todd and the first two don't count (no it wasn't our new skinny friend, Marty).Wrong, the 5 years is only for race. The snell date is for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 I would agree with a tech on Sunday morning. Besides, what if you bite it on Sat and are going to race on Sun. You work through the night to get the bike ridable you need to be teched again, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 If you crash you have to retech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMN8TR Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 You are supposed to retech anytime after a crash whether you are going back out on the track the same day or not until the next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRMN8TR Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 And now you just got told twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Wrong, the 5 years is only for race. The snell date is for everyone.Wait....what? You're saying that the mfg. date is used for racers only and the snell date is used for everyone else?That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.But you could still get that rouge "MS representative" that will tell you to pack up your shit and go home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 And now you just got told twice.Kevin enjoys a good tag team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1crusher Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 And now you just got told twice.And now you need to hurry the fuck up with that fork tool so some other people can get their shit ready this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue03636 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Wait....what? You're saying that the mfg. date is used for racers only and the snell date is used for everyone else?That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.But you could still get that rouge "MS representative" that will tell you to pack up your shit and go home.For trackdays they require snell (or equivalent) 2005 (this may have changed) or newer. To race the helmet can't be more than 5 years old from the date it was manufactured. Next time tell Nick to stuff it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Haha R1 is getting tripled teamed and tramp stamped. Cumshots to the dome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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