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If it hasn't been done, you might wanna rebuild the clutch-slave, replace the clutch fluid and do that yearly too. It's very easy, and if you keep on top of it the clutch slave will last forever. When they get gunked up they get scored and the slave unit's not cheap. A $6 seal and some brake fluid and you're good to go. There's detailed instructions on VSRI. I really noticed mine staying cleaner once I switched to Dupont Dry Lube for the chain. I have to spray it on more often, but the countersprocket area doesn't get nearly as nasty as with traditional lube.

Must have been the sick gun culture of the 1950's to blame. I'd bet Christopher Newsom was in a zen like state while a gang raped and tortured him and his girlfriend, before his inevitable death when he was shot in the head, and then set on fire....he probably congratulated himself on being civilized and letting his elbows do the talking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom I mean, heck it's not like a CCW holder has ever stopped a carjacking. If he had a gun, and things went badly, he might have been.....uh......shot or tortured? Anyway, stuff like this only happens to other people. People with underdeveloped elbows. We shouldn't even think about it, or prepare, because preparation equals murder practice.

He's a scholar on a mission, you see. I contended that only a person with a deep, overwhelming fear of guns would be so compelled to argue so doggedly against them page after page, day after day, especially when shown to be in error so often. But Magz assures us all that we're the ones with a problem. He knows that he's so at peace with life, guarded by those elbows, that he can't rest until we're all disarmed and civilized like he is. He's obviously a wise soul who has encountered really bad people, and using his intellect and physical prowess, discouraged any harm that might befall him. It's a shame elderly people and handicapped people and diminutive women can't match his imposing presence...I guess in his idealized world it just sucks to be them when it's rapin time, but anyway he's safe in his bed because he's a warrior/scholar and that's what's important here. Golfclap for Magz, he's really doing God's work. By God I mean the evil spirit that imbues hunks of metal with evil spirits of long ago when they were designed as weapons.

Matches Bathtub full of water Electrical socket and a butter knife Stove Dryer Old refrigerator Plastic bag Lots of things are extremely simple for a child to use, and harm or kill themselves with...if you leave them alone with it. We've already been over this, warrior-poet philosopher-fu. But, sometimes you have to say things like 12 times to retards before it sinks in. If ever. Did your parents leave you alone with a plastic bag? Like, the kind you could wrap your head in and cut off oxygen to the brain for several minutes? It would explain a lot.

Wait, I thought you weren't a warrior but a scholar? I was buying into the idea that you could study your way out of every situation...like give a dude an intellectual flying elbow. Now you're back to being a badass. You're a renaissance man, Magz. Very complex. A mystery wrapped up in a conundrum. I think the real weapon around here might just be you. Designed to kill, but so wise that you rise above it and use your mighty brain to fight evil. I think we've all gained a lot of respect for your wisdom and real world experience, and your tenets on self-defense have opened some eyes.

Hey, I know from playing Doom at Magley's trailer (he makes a wicked Steak-Um sammich), that the chainsaw is an effective close-combat weapon. I believe it was designed as such, and therefore we should abandon using them lest we become a nation of chainsaw culture. It's no joke. I think of myself as a scholar on such matters.

I don't know anyone, including myself, that hasn't been happy with their Vizios. For the money, mine has been awesome.

No shit, sherlock. Anyone with a modest understanding of the mechanics of both, and not functionally retarded understands precisely why, too.

If there's a big spike in white-supremecist violence towards minorities I'll be happy to concede his fears were real and the threat palpable.Not seeing it, yet. How many racially-charged violent acts from other minorities have there been against whites that fall completely off the DHS' radar, or do they even consider such acts as terror? If not, why not? Does a black guy targeting a white victim merely because they're white count as racial hatred? Further, could it be construed as domestic terror? What if he has ties to a black power group? Bet there's a few instances of those. Bet it didn't register a blip on anyone's radar...which is interesting. Oh, questions...questions.

Was that supposed to be profound or witty? Do you ever stick your fingers in your butthole so you can smell it right afterwards? I kind of picture you doing that. A lot.

There's a dude on VSRI pushing 250k on his. He's had to do some work, but no major breakages.

Sly dig on Magz and serpent right there, I saw it.

I just saw a guy at the range trying to shoot a 46" Vizio. Weird.

100gs.

The scholar has spoken, and has given this thread the flying elbow of learned knowledge. Fuck, man, I'm having a hard time typing I'm laughing so hard. Thank you, seriously....I canceled cable, there was never anything this funny on it. You're a warrior alright. You're fighting logic and reason like a fucking honey badger.

Or the one that started it all...

Desperate, stupid reach to try to be "right", again, you're getting lost. Stick to your original hysteria please. Guns aren't evil, spanky, they're just tools. Making them more difficult to use isn't going to protect anyone. Making bigger safes and more locks won't stop negligent people. Go ask your local police why they don't use biometric guns. It's a flawed technology, for all the reasons I mentioned...which means it's something people ought to either improve or be able to ignore. I'm all for making things better, I'm not for making things worse to make dumb people feel better. That's you, btw, the dumb person.

If you ride a Vee and do anything thinking you're going to maintain its good looks, you've failed before you started. It's an adventure bike. They look stupid stock.

And if you're bleeding? Might not work. If you're wearing gloves? Might not work. If you're incapacitated and your wife needs to defend herself from the man attacking you? Might not work. Wanna know why police don't use this technology? Doesn't work. Well, I suppose you'd prefer a gun that doesn't work so you're still on board with this. As a person who is afraid of guns to the point of manically arguing about it for pages and pages, you can surely find a reason to like anything that lessens a gun's effectiveness as a tool.

And if a registered owner is infected with the inherent evil of a gun? Uh oh. Guess you'd better re-think that. What if the gun owner is one of those Christian bigot white devils? I think you don't really mean this statement at all. Smart gun technology sucks, btw, I'd just rather trust in people to defend themselves and not murder each other. Like they do in Switzerland. See, if you have an industrious, modern and well-educated society, grown men can have assault weapons in their homes and no problems will really ever exist. Same with Israel, or Boise Idaho, or Silver City, NM or anywhere else where gun ownership is very high and crime is very low. Again, it was fun deflating your hysteria. POW!

And how is it one iota different from leaving your car keys where a child could reach them, start the car and run someone over, or kill themselves? How about leaving a lighter around, where a fire could kill the entire family? How about access to running water and drowning themselves? How many kids play with matches and die? A lot. By drowning in an unattended pool? A lot. Feeling, instead of thinking. All comes back to guns being evil, because you fear them.

That difference will be utterly lost on Magz (who was supposed to be done with this thread, but as I predicted is mentally incapable of abandoning his psychosis). He FEELS that guns (being designed only to kill, you see) cause harm, or influence someone holding one to commit harm, so even legitimate self-defense is just a precursor to you using the gun recklessly or with malice. Using it as a tool, even justly and in your own defense is not going to register with him, because that hunk of metal is imbued with evil spirits. That gun wasn't left there negligently, it caused its owner to abandon it knowing its destructive power will be used for killing. It, like the Ring of Sauron, knows what it wants you see. Negligence, to Magz, is you even having a gun. There is no responsible...he's stated so himself. If you own it, you contribute to the gun culture and are culpable in all harm that all guns cause. Watch and see. If he accepts your point, his house of cards comes crashing down. He can't, and won't, because his delusions hang upon the idea that a guns cause harm merely by being.

The reason you can't and won't find copious news stories of people saving their own lives with guns is two fold. First, most don't generate a news article....and sometimes not even a police report. The one time my boss drew a gun on a person, who was attempting to rob him, there was no news article...yet it happened. That happens every day, far more than murders or gun violence. Second, most in the news business are not interested in that slant, and even if their desks were filled with reports of people using guns in self-defense (including police officers, who are people too), their bias is much like snakeshit and Magz and they don't view self-defense with a firearm as satisfying to their papers or the public as a person doing evil with a gun. However, you can go study Gary Kleck's work, or John Lott's (both peer-reviewed research), and learn something....but as we know some people prefer to stay ignorant...as their cognitive dissonance cannot be rocked by uncomfortable truths. As to Magz, I have no cause or care to challenge you on any matter except those in which you are belligerently ignorant, and wrong. You and I might find a great deal we agree on, and I would never pick a fight....but when your ideas are that of a lunatic, and you espouse them as empircal facts, you can expect to be called on it. Especially when it's of a matter I hold personal and believe strongly in. Oh, here's one from today.... http://m.chronicle.augusta.com/news/crime-courts/2012-08-09/gun-shop-owner-kills-suspected-burglar-injures-two-others Gun shop owner uses his "assault" rifle to put an end to gun-thieves...possibly saving many lives from the stolen weapons that were going to leave his premises.

The only bitch about the GIVI bars is they're a bit thinner than other makes, and they make taking the fairings off a royal pain. The Motechs are thicker, and you can get the fairings off no problemo. They also mate to more aftermarket skid plates, IIRC. I crash tested the Motech bars, hard, and they worked.