I had those same gloves... I think they're magical or something, my hands would sweat in 0 degree Temps riding my 4 wheeler with those... Wore them all winter in Ohio riding the VFR and never once had cold hands.... Best gloves ever made... I don't really have a need for anything that warm now, my leather gloves are fine into the 40s/50s so I can't remember if I still have them or not... Got them at iron pony 10yrs ago lol