Tpoppa

18 minutes ago, what said:

Population density mixed with frequently touched/high-traffic public spaces and a large population of people that travel to/from China and Italy going under the radar for weeks are the main factors that were brought up. Not in this press conference but by the female physician on Trump's team, Deborah I think.

"a large population of people that travel to/from China and Italy going under the radar for weeks are the main factors that were brought up."

If that's the case, it sounds like stricter isolation is needed for NYC and probably for a longer period.

They should consider more drastic measures like using hotels (bet they are empty right now) for isolation.  That could add thousands of beds for people that don't need ICU care, and keep them from spreading it any further.

1 hour ago, what said:

NYC is about to be a death zone. A new peak case estimate of 14-21 days from today, with new infections doubling every 3 days. Seems the shelter-in-place order did not do enough to curb the spread, at least in NYC and surrounding areas. With the population density and the length of time this thing can live on surfaces it's not surprising. Sadly.

Didn't watch his whole press conference.

Do they believe this a factor of population density alone or are their other factors at play that are specific to NYC?  

2 minutes ago, SpecialEd said:

One thing I will not go without during all this shelter-in-place bullshit is booze. I heard today during DeWine's press conference that Pennsylvania has apparently closed up all their liquor stores. A week ago, I picked up a good supply of Skyy vodka for my wife and bourbon for me. This is no time for a temperance movement.

If you think the national media coverage of COVID has any agenda other than trying to get you to not vote for Trump in November...then consider yourself bent over, and successfully manipulated.

I personally don't care who you vote for, but at least do it with your eyes open.

How easy is it to make decisions to torpedo your own economy to slow the spread of a disease?  We were quicker than most countries to impose travel restrictions and many in our own media called those restrictions "racist."   

Our biggest misstep was the time it took for the CDC to develop a valid COVID test and get it to the masses.   You know the CDC, right...the experts than Trump doesn't listen to, right?   The CDCs first attempt produced an unreliable test.  The CDC announced the test was available.  Trump's team repeated that announcement...then the CDC recalled the test.  The media response was, of course "Trump Lied."    

The CDC and FDA have both done some back pedaling since then.  I'm sure that to is Trump's fault...somehow 🙄

1 minute ago, Tonik said:

Right up until he hinted he was really happy Mitt might have Covid. Dude is a sorry excuse for a human being.

Agreed, Mitt is pretty sorry.

22 minutes ago, Tpoppa said:

The media has been trying super hard to make that point, but...

Fauci on the other hand hasn't said that.  Here's what he did say "there isn't, fundamentally, a difference" between his view and President Donald Trump's when it comes to combatting coronavirus, saying Trump just approaches fighting the pandemic from a "hope, layperson standpoint" while he approaches it from a scientific one."

They are speaking side by in the news conferences and seem to be on the same page from what I've viewed with my own eyes.  I put more stock in that than filtering opinions of through the talking heads in the media

9 minutes ago, what said:

That was my take on it as well. Trump wants to convey hope to people saying hydroxichloroquin might be effective at treating this, Fauci agreed with him but stipulated that the drug still needs to be tested (which it is starting today, 10,000 doses going to patients in NY supposedly) to see verifiable results so the FDA can approve it as a form of treatment for dire cases. That's businessman/politician vs. doctor/scientist speak. Same idea just different approaches for different crowds. Fauci wanted to avoid people going out and buying chloroquin used for other purposes, taking it as "medicine" and dying. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/man-dies-after-ingesting-chloroquine-attempt-prevent-coronavirus-n1167166

 

I never thought I would say this but for the last few days at least I think Trump has been doing as good a job as anyone could in the position we are in. Nobody knows exactly how to deal with this. He seems to be listening to the people on his task force at the very least. I guess we'll see how good a job they are doing after this is all over. Maybe I'll be eating my shoe, but I hope not.

Does anyone think that a business man turn politician is going to say the exact same thing  every time as a Dr that is leading disease expert?  

They are working closely together, but if Trump uses  a single word that is different than Fauci, there are 30 headlines that say "Trump Lied" or "Trump Contradicts His Own Experts."  It's fucking moronic.

The media is making us dumber as a nation.  Watch the press conferences yourself and form your own opinions.

10 minutes ago, Pauly said:

I  wonder how many more times Fauci can contradict Trump before he is no longer allowed to talk to the rest of us? 

The media has been trying super hard to make that point, but...

Fauci on the other hand hasn't said that.  Here's what he did say "there isn't, fundamentally, a difference" between his view and President Donald Trump's when it comes to combatting coronavirus, saying Trump just approaches fighting the pandemic from a "hope, layperson standpoint" while he approaches it from a scientific one."

They are speaking side by in the news conferences and seem to be on the same page from what I've viewed with my own eyes.  I put more stock in that than filtering opinions of through the talking heads in the media

17 minutes ago, motocat12 said:

did we have the ability to acquire tests before we knew of this virus?

2 minutes ago, Pauly said:

Hard to know. If we spent as much on medical research as we do spreading the gospel of democracy.. maybe? 

Not hard to know.  We couldn't.   The test is specific to the virus.

According to the CDC, about 7,700 people die every day in the US.  So, since the first case of COVID 19 was reported in the US (63 days), about 485,000 people have died in the US.  About 500 of those were due to COVID 19.

I realize a contagious disease can spread exponentially.  Not discounting anything, just a bit of perspective.

1 hour ago, TimTheAzn said:

Pretty much business owners are still given latitude on if they deem their business essential.

I'm sitting at work because one of our divisions makes screw drivers.... apparently they help build medical stuff... or so the president says.

If I get Corona/China/Foreign/Non-PC virus I'm going to be just fine.  But I'd feel fucking terrible if I spread it to your kid/parent/grandparents and they weren't fine.

About 33,000 confirmed cases in the US...that still 1-hundredth-of-a-percentage-point of the US population.  Those numbers will double or triple in the next 2-3 weeks.  That's as much a function of more tests being conducted as it is actual spread of the virus. 

I've talked to more than a few people in health care.  Once they see the groups of people that have it and the limited supplies the reality of the situation really seems to sink in.  

More masks, test, ventilators are being produced...Remdisivir, Chloroquine, or some new drug will make a difference...There will be some relief, eventually.  In the mean time we can't overwhelm the Health Care Industry's ability to scale.  No one in health care wants to be forced to make decisions on which critical patients can be treated and which have to be turned away due to lack of ventilators.

Any guesses on when Ohio gets the shelter in place order.  I'm guessing in the next day or 2.

I thought medicinal weed was mostly nonsense.  But it solved my GFs vertigo in minutes after the prescription meds didn't do a damn thing.

39 minutes ago, Pauly said:

Seems like a waste of BMW's time, to me. 

I was hoping the bagger version would have a little better cornering manners and be more function over form than a typical bagger.  

If that is the riding position on the production model, it will flop...like BMWs last cruiser attempt.

8 minutes ago, SpecialEd said:

Be careful about vetting sources of information. This article was, at best, skeletal, and "Weaselzippers" doesn't appear to be a credible site.

At this point I think the credibility of weaselzippersis on par with CNN.  Not a compliment for either.

I was really hoping to like this thing, but...that riding position looks pretty funky.  Knees are to the top of the fuel tank.  The cylinder looks like it's right in the way of a comfortable riding position and being able to move your foot

Hopefully that's just a preproduction issue, but IDK.

Corona isn't Trump's fault.
Ebola wasn't Obama's.
SARS wasn't Bush's
and only a handful of cases of herpes were Clinton's

9 minutes ago, 2talltim said:

Just canceled our cruise for April. Good news is since the wife probably can't get any more time off past July that might mean a week long bike trip for me in late summer. 

Now might be a good time to buy stock in cruise companies.  Carnival dropped from about $60 to around $10/share. 

13 minutes ago, snot said:

 

And do we wait for everyone to get it before we can reopen everything? Or just another week? 

I doubt they know yet.  Those decisions will be made as the situation evolves.

4 minutes ago, snot said:

I would love to test ride the 400. I know it is lighter than the 300 and has better acceleration. 

I considered the 650 since it is a step up and has great acceleration on the highway (my commute is all highway).

It will be next year before I am ready to buy another bike. So, I have time.

27 minutes ago, Pauly said:

Who the fuck watches Fox News with any amount of belief in their "reporting"? 

11 minutes ago, Tonik said:

FTFY

Agreed.  I tend to read both for sake of comparison.  Fox and CNN and both dripping with partisan bias.

Did you know that Fox has more viewers than CNN...I was not aware of that until recently.

49 minutes ago, snot said:

I was looking at the 650. The 400 is not much of a step up from the 300 but the seat height is right.

The new 250 is a 4 cylinder with a quick shifter and 59hp. I want to see more specs so I can compare them all.

I think the 400 is a better overall package than the 650.  I looked at both of them and the 900.   Still bought the 400.

 I'll let you ride it sometime...

In the Cleveland area (probably Ohio and beyond)  there was a widespread upper respiratory infection in November/December.

Everyone had it.  I had it.  It lasted about 4 weeks.  I'll bet lots of people are wondering if it was Corona.  It wasn't.

2 minutes ago, Tonik said:

Reminder, Trump was on TV day after day saying we had boatloads of kits and were testing all over the place for the first few weeks of this. It was all a lie, we had no kits. Those people at the first major outbreak in that retirement home in California sat there for a long time without tests. Cleveland didn't start testing until late last week.

He lied, for quite some time about. I was going to vote for him again, just to piss of the liberals. Can't do that now.

There's more to that story.

It's been discussed pretty openly in some of the briefings.

11 hours ago, Tonik said:

The US and South Korea found their first case of Corona on the same day.

South Korea has tested 270k people for Corona, about 5200 per million. We have done 74 tests per million. It is very much under control on South Korea without a ton of closings and sheltering.

Thanks Trump.

From what I read...

South Korea rushed their COVID 19 test development.  They took a chance and released a test that skipped some of the normal testing steps.  They took a risk and it paid off, thankfully.  If it had not worked, South Korea might be in a situation like Italy.  But it did work.

Our CDC on the other hand took a less risky approach, which took more time, and did not result in a better test than South Korea's.   The CDC's protocols exists for a reason, but in the case a a fast spreading, mutating virus...speed is critical.  I'm certain the CDC will be reevaluating their methods.

Why not do both?   Why not have a fast track plan A, with a less risky plan B running concurrently?