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All Ohio accident reports are online. http://www.dps.state.oh.us/OHCrashReports/

The bike may be listed stolen, but that doesn't mean it actually was, or the guy riding it is the thief or that he even knew it was stolen. (Ever seen that ep of cops where a "stolen" car is pulled over and it turns out the owner found their car after reporting it stolen and never told the police they found it...?) The story doesn't say whose fault the accident was. Would love to get an update on that. Anyone who knowingly leaves the scene of an accident should have to pay 5x property damages if they were at fault. Anyone who knowingly leaves the scene of an injury (or worse) accident should have to pay 10x damages, AFTER spending one year in jail for every week the victim spends in hospital, or 25 years for fatals. Question is, how to you track down who ran? Dashcams from ebay cost about $100 (make sure you get HD, TRUE HD not upscaled. Can't go wrong with a gopro, but they cost more) I can read plates from any car that gets within 20' of me. Never know when something stupid is gonna happen... (Yes, I can read both plates in the original video. And that's with a dirty winsdhield)

This thread NOT what I expected from the title.

"I saw them but the didn't stop" Man, that annoys the snot out of me. Some old guy used that line when he cut me off in my cage. Made a lane change from his stationary lane into my moving lane right as I was going by, but argued to the cop that he made the lane change slowly enough that I should have seen him and slowed down / let him in. The cop was unmoved and cited him for "Turn and Stop signals" (Which states no person may change lanes unless it can be done in safety)

If I see a guy with a bum bag I think CCW...

Holy crap! That's mashed in. Hope you get the SOB. He should be cited for hit-skip. NO WAY he didn't know he did that.

Faraday underoos don't work for me. My antenna is too big. I'm familiar with your credit card hiding place. Visa has been crawling up my ass for years.

Aluminum foil hat fixed me right up. The rfid the government put in my brain can't receive the voices any more. Well, most of the time.

Your wife and kids don't need to be defended from someone who is wriggling OUT of a window. How are you going to defend them from future threats from jail? Castle Doctrine creates a *rebuttable* presumption that the BG was there to do you harm. The investigation will rebut that presumption in a heartbeart you shoot them in the back as they are wriggling out of a window.

Castle Doctrine won't help you if you shoot someone in the BACK while they are wriggling OUT of a window.

Read it again. "If he's armed and on the floor you are in a no-win situation where you will likely be branded an executioner" Better hope you can prove he was still a threat while he was on the ground.

The first couple of shots were justified, but the 3 or so shots that were fired while the bad guy was fleeing and on the ground could be problematic, unless the BG still had his gun on him. If the BG is advancing, do what you need to do. If the BG is moving away from you in a way that could be called; "Seeking cover" then it's still on. If the BG is fleeing, let him go. If he's armed and on the floor you are in a no-win situation where you will likely be branded an executioner. If he *IS* unarmed and lying on the floor and you shoot him, then you ARE an executioner.

The story as presented does not jive with the evidence. The dead burglar was killed by a shot in the back, as he was fleeing. Specifically, as he was struggling to climbing out of a window, stuck, and unable to be a threat to anyone. That is not self defense.

Self defense in the UK is based upon the concept of "reasonable force", and there is no more legalistic definition than that. it is entirely up to the jury to decide if it was reasonable. Related to the Caldwell Test concept of "Would a normal person sharing the same characteristics, and having the same information as the defendant, have acted in this way?" Problem is that the in UK the people (and therefore the jury) are far less likely to consider any "active" defense as reasonable, especially if you had the chance to avoid. Even if that means fleeing your house. Life is valued above property to such an extend that you have to PROVE you life was in danger and that the burglary was not just a property crime. Hot burglaries are common (because of this!) and are almost exclusively property crimes, and it is liekly to be considered unreasonable to force a physical confrontation to expel a burglar who was only committing a property crime. Add a weapon into the mix and now you look like you went looking for a fight. Add an illegal gun and you look like you went looking to shoot someone. Imagine you hit a shoplifter with a baseball bat for stealing a candy bar... You physically hurt someone over a $1 candy bar. Just let them take the bar and call the police. That's how they view it in the UK. Hot burglaries are much less common in the US - take-over home invasions are more common. Thus, in the US, anyone enters your home is orders of magnitude more likely to be there to do you physical harm.

You wanna know anything about UK gun laws, ask me. Anything I don't know I can ask my brother who is a Police Seargent. - Hungerford / Micheal Ryan was carried out with a legally held rifle - and it prompted a ban on rifles - Dunblane / Thomas Hamilton was carried out with a legally held pistol - and it prompted a ban on pistols - Bustfield / Albert Dryden was carried out with an illegally hand WWII Webley revolver - and it did not prompt any new laws. Video of the shooting here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VwlSihAMKs 1:24 - Tony Martin used an illegally held shotgun. The information I have says the fatal shot hit the burglar in the back. The burglar was trying to flee and the shooting was not an act of self defense. I'm not aware it prompted any law changes. You can own shotguns and bolt-action rifles on a gun license obtained from the police IF you prove you have a good reason to own one. No handguns and no semi-auto rifles. Self-defense is not a 'good reason' to own a gun. The weapon must be stored in a prescibed manner that intentionally renders it effectively useless in self-defense. (Guns and ammo in separate safes, cannot be loaded) You can (and will) be visited at any time by a police officer who has the right to examine the gun storage and if not stored correctly you lose it.

Ashley Madison?

New motto: Dick it or ticket.

A few of the mags has small protrusion on the bottom - looked like 22 mags to me. I may be wrong. I shot an AR in .22 and it felt like a butterfly farting on my shoulder.

Ped's comments deserve a 1 year ban.

Blame? That's the Me Gusta face - it means "I LIKE!"

Nice vid, but "404 funneh not found" (How many of those ARs were shooting 22? Seriously? 5.56 plz, kthxbye) EDIT: The shooting video was taken down and replaced with "Guy thinks his sister....". NVM. Not quick enough on the Ninja Edit, Adam.

That's one of the nastiest mixed metaphors I've seen in a long time.

Seriously. Bye thread. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2