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It's not unreasonable to NOT own a gun, just as it's not unreasonable TO own a gun. What makes the difference is your personal motivations for making either decision. I fear the empty hand of a bad person more far more than I fear a gun in the hand of a good person.

Thread is valid. Looking for a response from IM, however OP's remote location does not invalidate his experience.

I've carried a leartherman for 20 years and it's been a complete non-issue (except for the time I forgot I had it on my belt and arrived at airport security)

Give it a soft and fluffy name and you're in. It's not an "assault rifle" it's a "defense rifle" or "patrol rifle". (that was the name a news organization used to describe an officer's AR15) What about "Liberty Rifle" or "Patriot Rifle"?

The gunman found to have taken his own life: http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/08/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 It was originally reported that he was killed by police - the stomach wound from the police officer was potentially fatal, but the gunman finished himself off before he died from the stomach wound. Some may interpret this to say the police officer didn't stop the guy - but I disagree. I say it's more than likely the gunman was largely incapacitated by the stomach wound and ended it there to avoid being caught. Had he not been shot then he would most likely have continued the rampage. It's been said many times already, but can never be overstated - the police are expected to run toward the gunman while all others run away. This officer took many hits and still mounted an effective defense of the worshippers in the temple. That's the kind of bravery most of us can only pretend to have.

redbarron - your last two posts are blank to me. Is it NWS stuff that my company might be blocking?

It is a philosophical question. I looked up the CC laws in response to another thread and the distinction jumped out at me this time, despite me reading those laws a million times over. The only place you can comfortably conceal/carry nunchaku of any design would be in a car, and driving is nearly always a better defense than getting out and fighting (both in legal and in practical terms).

in Cincinnati?

So my leatherman with a 4" blade is illegal?

OP: Did you know that the bike was being auctioned? Did you find the bike through a non-ebay source, like an online ad, inventory list at their website etc? Did you get your deposit back? Other than returning your deposit (and apologizing) there's not much left for them to do. Although good customer service demands some kind of consideration for your wasted time, such as $50 store credit for accessories or something.

Can you get "brass elbows" like brass knuckles...? (Actually, that was supposed to be a joke but now that I think about it... Hmmm) Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

I take my son to school every day, and at his age I have to walk him into / out of the building. = no CCW. Also my company has a strict no-guns policy that I abide by 100%.

That explains why truckers can carry "Tire checkers" (basically small baseball bats that they hit the truck tires with to "check the tire pressure". Can also incidentally be used to check the pressure in a road-rager's skull using pretty much the same measurement technique. So, having two ends of nunchaku that you can clip together is likely going to be considered a weapon because they two ends have no discernible non-weapon purpose... Well, if they ends DO have a non-weapon purpose, such as... one of then have have a notch cut in it to deflect the fanbelt and the other can have measurement markings in it. It's a home-made tool used to drivebelt tension. Even better if they are stored in a place next to a spare new drivebelt and a wrecnh for swapping the drivebelt out... The chain loop is to hang them up in the garage, but as it happens I've been having problems with my drivebelt so I'm carrying it in the car. Incidentally, though, the loops can be intertwined to produce something that works like nunchaku and can be used in a pinch. (Until I do this, and the prosecutor finds this post and does me for intent) Heck, who needs nunchaku. I have elbows. For realz, bro - if the US army dropped their guns and threw elbows instead there's be a McDonalds on every street in Iraq and a Starbucks on every street in Afghanistan by now...

There are always two sides to every story - and the truth in somewhere in the middle.

Our police are constantly asked to walk a fine line between safety and enforcement. Does he stand in front of the car completely and allow himself to be crushed? no. Does he curl up in a ball in the corner sucking his thumb and crying for his mommy when the bad guy doesn't do exactly as the cop says? No. Where is that fine line? Unless you're on the job you don't know where that line is. You can guess, and you can monday-morning quarterback, but unless you have a badge you don't know jack. (if you have several direct relatives who are/were cops then you can wade into internet disputes and give a radically centrist viewpoint, though... ) You want cops to stay safe then have them sit at home and send nasty emails to violators instead of enforcing laws. When you walk a fine line, you can easily step over that line. In this case it is up for debate whether the officer exposed himself to a level of risk that was not necessary for a parking ticket - however that does not exonerate the Ferrari f*ckwit for trying to drive away. Not one bit. The officer's authority or his right/duty to enforce the law was exercised appropriately and the FF deserved his ride to jail. My brother (police sergeant) told me the first lesson you must learn on the street is never bluff - don't threaten something you cannot back up. Don't threaten to arrest someone for something you know you can't arrest them for because when they say; "Go ahead and arrest me then" then you're left looking like an idiot. The most important tool you have is your credibility - without that you have nothing. Don't bluff, don't BS and don't be a coward. Criminals are like dogs, they can smell fear and will exploit it. He also says he doesn't need to carry a gun because his interpersonal skills have always allowed him to de-escalate any situation he's been in - even when faced with a pistol. Not sure if I would be as confident myself, but I'm just an IT weenie and he's a 15 year veteran. He doesn't tell me how to normalize databases and I don't tell him how to be a cop. A pretty fair arrangement, I think.

..Or at least someone who can connect the does using ORC... http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923 ORC2923.11 is the concealed weapons law. The only type of knife I see listed as illegal to carry in the street is a "Ballistic Knife". ORC2923.11 (J) and (K)(1). Switchblades etc fall under ORC2923.20 that says you cannot "Manufacture, possess for sale, sell, or furnish to any person other than a law enforcement agency for authorized use in police work". This covers gravity knives, switchblades, springblades etc. (Although meijer sells spring-opened camping knives...?) But this just covers selling or buying, furnishing etc. Not posession. That means that carrying a knife in and of itself is not illegal, unless it falls under ORC2923.11(A) which says: "“Deadly weapon” means any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon." So I also see that things like the ASP baton are not covered explicitly - does that mean it's officer/prosecutor/judge/jury discretion on what constitutes a deadly weapon? (I get it... The guy who got ventilated a couple months ago for raising up an electrical conduit bender at a cop deserved it) If it is just human discretion as to what is a deadly weapon and what is not then that's cool - although it would be cool to get examples from officer/lawyers on what kind of things were taken from people because they were considered deadly weapons. I knwo the list is not all-inclusive... Swords are not listed but I don't doubt for a second it is considered a deadly weapon. But what ahout a 3-d or 4-d maglite? Didn't a bunch of police depts ban carrying them (in favor of stigner streamlights etc) for fear that smacking someone over the head with it is considered deadly force? One sheriff's deputy showed me how to make a set of nunchaku in two pieces (quick disconnect chain) that can be quickly assembled into a weapon, but when separated is just two sticks with a half-chain on one end, supposedly making it perfectly legal... Any officers agree with that assessment? I train bo fighting and stick fighting and a pair of ASP batons would be perfect for stick fighting - but would they be legal to carry? or could they be modified to be legal (ie not be deadly). A bo would be pretty inconvenient to carry around! Or is the distinction based upon if the item has any reasonable purpose other than a weapon? A maglite can easily be deadly, but it's a flashlight too. A set of nunchaku stored disconnected has no immediately obvious non-weapon purpose... IB someone suggests tying a pair of maglites together...

I said Europe, not UK. 3.8. Very close to 4.2.

Yes they would. Compare US and European homicide rates. US gun homicides are 100x higher than Europe, but overall homicides are about the same.

First story: No CHL. The kind fo crazy that I cann';t protect my family from if I am disarmed by misguided laws that punish law-abiding gun owners for the acts of crazies. Second story: He said he's done this dozens of times before. Open carry is legal. The prosecutor even said he's in the clear if he complied withthe law - his arrest was an example of "an abundance of caution". If he complied with the law then he should be left alone. Third story: What was you point here? Come guy got shot and just happened to be carrying contraband. What doesthat have to do with why I should be banned from having my guns which, in 15 years, have never hurt or threatened anyone?

Hey, anyone want to know what happens when a homicidal brainfuck can't get hold of guns? He hacks up kindergarteners with a machete. No, really... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverhampton_machete_attack Murder is an act of human intent, NOT an inanimate object.

So you know have more sympathy for the plight of minorities, yeah?

In some countries the constitutions specifically exempt Sikhs from concealed weapons laws for religious freedom reasons... So who wants to join my religion? All followers are required to be armed at all times. Constitution says I need to have my religious freedom, right? If a Sikh can carry a Kirpan then I can carry a Sig, yeah?

Yeah, some old Harley guy who was raggin' on me for dressing like an astronaut. "I've been down 12 or 13 times and never got seriously hurt, so I knwo I don't need gear..." Meanwhile, Darwin listens in on the conversation and thinks; "Shit, I missed one..."

You were in flip-flops? Not on the bike then, i hope... Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

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