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I know how SJRB works, and when I read that, I just assumed that they were referring to code of conduct "charges". Which actually means very little in this case. He wasn't detained nor questioned about the empty holster in itself. He was detained and questioned about the empty holster, that the person who called 911, said contained the gun that he supposedly been waving around.

Not sure where the "charge him with disorderly conduct" came from (I know it wasn't you). The Student Judicial Review Board has no legal authority, they only determine if he violated the school's code of conduct. He may or may not have, that is to be seen.

Massive heart attack. The coroner said his heart was in such bad shape due to decades of cocaine and alcohol abuse that he could have had a heated argument and ended up in the same condition. It just so happened that he chose to fight the police that night.

NO! NO! NO! That was destruction of OSU property therefore making it incredibly serious! This is just the infringement of some dumb ass students rights.

I just finished reading all of the posts. I initially thought the issue was going to be the officers response to the situation. I was wrong. They were only responding to the information that they had.

was working that night and heard the run go out. Our officers responded to assist OSU PD wit a person with a gun call. I believe that the call came is as a man waving a gun around. So, yes they are going to respond, with their guns drawn, detain the suspect, investigate then release him. I work in the hood, and people with guns pass off their guns to other people all of the time. As an officer, I am trained to hide my chosen weapon from time to time. One of the ways we hide them is to cross our arms and tuck which ever weapon we are holding under our arm. They did exactly what they should have done. OSU PD has VERY strict rules on removing their weapon from their holster. They actually had an officer die after being shot while investigating a property crime (didn't meet the criteria for pulling weapon). I guarantee the officers had no idea he was the president of whichever group he was president of until he told them. Just because President Gee doesn't like the group doesn't mean there is some conspiracy against them on the part of the police department.

You couldn't be more wrong! I have been holding off replying to this thread because the story that I am about to relate, to be honest, is no one else's business. No person on here, in the media, or in the court of public opinion has the right to armchair quarterback the incident if you weren't there. You simply don't know the facts. This story isn't exactly apples to apples, but I think it applies considering your truly ignorant knowledge of the law. I was involved in an incident a handful of years ago in which I, a police officer (white officer), along with 2 other white officers were involved in the death of a man (black man). A man, who in some people's minds, was unarmed. We each took tools from our tool belt (gun belt) and used them on him, and he died after a struggle/fight on the ground in a public place. The run was initially was dispatched as a man assaulting patrons of a bar with a walking cane (he didn't require it to walk). When the first 2 officers arrived, they located the man who wasn't assaulting anyone at that time. The victim of the initial assault didn't have any injuries. Therefore it was considered a misdemeanor assault, and CPD's preferred course of action in "non-on view" misdemeanor assaults (one we didn't witness) is to take a report and refer the victim to the Prosecutor's office for charges. The officers began to approach the man, but he turned and walked away as if he had done nothing wrong. The officers began to follow him, and he walked faster. When they walked faster, he ran. Now, the man who appeared to be crippled on initial appearance, was running like a track star. The officers caught him, and the ground fight was on. About 2 1/2 minutes into the fight, I responded to the officers in trouble call. I arrived and joined the fight for what seemed like 2-3 minutes when in actuality it was about 30-45 seconds. I had my uses of force, and we were able to handcuff him. Within 10 minutes, the man was dead. After his death, the media picked up the story (rightfully so). Thankfully, the main stream media didn't make it out to be the white/black issue that I expected them to. The main stream media was never the issue. The issue was all of the "online media", the people who had no idea what the hell they were talking about, the people who heard and read things online, who wanted to pass their opinion off as fact without really knowing the facts. In one article, the author went as far as to call me a MURDERER, yet they had no facts nor proof to back up their statement. Hell, they never even contacted our department to get the official police version of the incident. All they had was one dead man and 3 alive police officers, but clearly that was enough to pass judgment. I mean, what more do you need?! After about 8 months of accusations from the public and media, I got my day before the Grand Jury with a Special Prosecutor. If you have never testified before a Grand Jury, it is nerve racking to say the least. However, after hearing the evidence, I was found not to be negligent in his death and my actions were 100% justified. I have my opinion on the case, but it is just that...my opinion. And since I wasn't there, and I don't have access to all of the facts (or lack there of) that the police have, I will keep it to myself. Zimmerman should not be automatically charged in this young man's death, he should however, go before the Grand Jury. Then, IF there is enough evidence to support a murder charge (or any charge for that matter), he should be charged. Until that day, the police department did the only think they could and shold have done. He was taken into custody, interviewed, and released until they are able to build a case for a Grand Jury.

I fail to see the problem. I am pretty sure the goal was to get it off of that dangerous mountain road.

I remember it being great. We used it in a shop that I worked in back in '92, and we got it from some chemical company out of Findlay, but haven't seen it since.

Thanks for pointing that out. I had to change my profile.

Go to Jim's Pizza on the square in Milan (about 10 minutes up the road). When we lived in Milan, it was THE place to eat. They have food other than pizza, and it is all good. You can take 250 N. and turn at Milan. It is a 1 stop light town where everyone knows your business.

I'm with you. She had him on the hood (I assume from hitting him again), drove across traffic in the opposite direction, and intentionally struck a car with him on the hood. She would have multiple holes in her head!!

I would gladly take an arrest for criminal damaging as long as she got hers for felonious assault. Maybe that is just me.

+1 on the Zymol. I have no idea where to get it, but when I was still in the body shop, it was amazing!

Maybe I live in a cave, but I have never heard of Motorcyle Maxx. Every dealership that I have gone to in my adult life begged me to test ride when I walk in the door. I am in Florida now and am planning on going to the BMW dealer this week. The last time I was there, they asked me for a test ride even though I told them I was from Ohio and had no intention of buying.

Had to watch it 4 times before I even saw a motorcycle.

It is not illegal for someone to come onto your property. While it is private property, it is considered public including your porch. It has been fought and lost multiple times in the OSU off campus area, where someone is sitting on a porch drinking and they appear to be under age. If an officer observes it and they reasonably believe the person is under age, they have the right to come onto your property and porch, and ask the person for their ID. They can do this because they have reasonable suspicion to believe a crime is being committed (yes, like it or not, underage consumption is an arrestable offense in Ohio. Columbus City Code 2325.632 or ORC 4301.632). Obviously this isn't the same thing, just illustrating a point. However, Loud Noise CCC 2319.11 (C-1) is a MM for the first offense, but arrestible if an officer return 2 times in a 12 hour period. Most cities have a similar charge.

I have been called several times to houses where kids say their parents are "beating" them. And every time (assuming there are no signs of abuse) that there is "no question about it, your parents are in charge and until you turn 18 or become an emancipated minor, they live by mom and or dad's rules!" "And, they have every right to discipline you! If they feel that you need to have your ass spanked, so be it!" There is a difference between spanking and beating. Children's Services are great when it comes to dealing with actual abuse cases, but they need to but the fuck out when it comes to discipline.

Unless the call specified loud music from a car. We get those all of the time where I work. However, they are usually parked on the street because there is very little off street parking. When we check it, there is usually someone leaned back in their seat enjouing the fruit for their labor after installing new equipment.

Your eyes can never commit a trespass assuming they are legally in the spot. Meaning, for example, if you or your wife choose to walk around naked inside your house, and a crowd gathers on the sidewalk to watch, that is on you because they are not trespassing to get a look. If it were me responding to a noise complaint, unless I was given specific information from a known caller (someone I could contact if necessary) that the noise was coming from your house, I would listen for the noise then act from there. My guess is that when you came home, you made more noise than you think you did and a neighbor specified your house as the offender. The fact of the matter is that people (kids, adults curious about the cool car you own, and thieves) have all come onto your property and looked in your car at one time or another. It just so happens that this time they caught your attention with their spot light and it happened to be a cop. I get that it can piss you off, but I would guess that it truly wasn't malicious.

We always tell our kids to use words the first time on an attempt to stop it. If that doesn't work, tell someone in charge. If that doesn't work, beat some ass (didn't use those words). We have told alla of our kids that if it gets to the 3rd stage, we will take care of the school system. Their responsibility is to keep my child safe and when they fail to do so, the resulting circumstances are on them. Our kids have our 100% support as long as they follow the guidelines/rules we have set.

You are correct, if you weren't there, you can't armchair quarterback. That being said, you need to learn when to cut your losses with this crowd. They will never understand this job. There was a time that I had the same opinion as many on here (if not stronger). Most of the people here deal with the 90% of the decent in this world 95% of the time. They don't understand that we deal with the other 10% of the total shitheads 90% of our shift. They have never delt with people that would rather punch you in the mouth than expend the energy to smile and say hi. Do what you do and do it to the best of your ability, and piss on what everyone else thinks!