Alone about 80 %. In a group I keep up for the most part. Do not have much group riding experience. Ditto for the CSBA rides. John does a good job of planing. Regardless do not over commit to the corner, you are on a public road. Once I had two large dogs just laying in the middle of the road on a blind curve. Thank god, no gravel so I could avoid them. Rule of thumb 1/4 to 3/8 inch chiken strip is just right for the street.