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1 hour ago, NinjaDoc said:

It was nice knowing you Tim,   enjoy them tracks  & balance them check books.

 

 

Tracks +3 // riding buddy -3  

In that case....track riding buddy +1 

5 minutes ago, J_Copeland said:

Just look for the guy that can't possibly have that much stuff in a Saturn

bringing a spare engine, forks, swingarm....basically a spare bike minus a frame and fairings....in addition to all the "normal" stuff.  Clown car FTW

I'll likely be there somewhere between 6 and 10.....yeah 4 hour window like a cable company repair guy.  Driving a white Saturn car with open trailer, just about the polar opposite of every other rig that will be arriving.....hard to miss.

48 minutes ago, TimTheAzn said:

This where you are talking about?

the middle ramp, on the side closer to "7" is where we normally pit, but we may scoot around a bit to find Brandon's RV a spot

8 minutes ago, Vagabound said:

Pass them on the brakes! I know I know I know, lot's of hate for doing that. Still think it's safer than a mid corner pass.

True, but if they are stretching the gap on the straights and you are not good enough on the brakes to get it done before tip in, your options are limited.  I'm still more comfortable passing someone on the outside vs inside on the brakes from my time in intermediate on the 600.....750 has started to change that though, and I'm getting a little better on the brakes.

53 minutes ago, J_Copeland said:

I had to do Novice at Mid-Ohio last September because it was my 1st time there.
I was told that you have to do 2 novices before you can move to I.

Seriously, 2 days?  Any chance they thought you were new to the track in general?.....and even then, that is too high of a requirement IMHO.  First day on track should start in a well structured novice group....bumps to I should be allowed after the basics/rules are covered, at the request of the rider, and with an instructors approval.  I'd even go as far as making "provisional" jerseys for riders who have just bumped.

38 minutes ago, Vagabound said:

If the more experienced riders respect the rules of N group shouldn't be a problem. Usually passing in the straights is the rule of thumb. In all actuality I don't believe in passing in the corners on track days. Racers don't do it unless the guy ahead breaks too deep and blows a corner.

Yes, when I registered Intermediate was requested. They asked if I had rode Mid-O and I was honest. She told me everyone new to the track had to be in Novice. But because I did not research and read all the rules I went in thinking a way different mindset. I never seen a Novice group run that way.

The video is a phenomenal tool. All coaches should have one and a laptop. Seeing your body position, how early you are REALLY braking is a great leaning tool. Plus someone always has video evidence of rules being broke. Sitting out a session is a great way to enforce rules.

Agree, no rider should cause problems bumping down....if they can't follow the rules, they shouldn't be on track in any group. 

For passing in a corner....I don't have a problem with it as long as it is within the rules and doesn't cause the other rider to change his/her line....either directly or by startling them.  I learned on a tired 600, a lot of the time only option to pass was in a corner.

2 hours ago, Vagabound said:

No way would I recommend this to experienced guys going to Mid-O being stuck in N group. 

Novice has to be geared toward fresh meat, not the experienced rider.  I wouldn't recommend it either, and honestly I'm surprised the let riders bump down to N because of a sold out group.  I remember 2 years ago around the last AMA race, I & A sold out.....A riders bumped to N and created a bunch of issues.

9 minutes ago, Vagabound said:

We all have different opinions and learning styles. Just because you haven't rode at a certain track, does not make you a "NOVICE". My opinion. And as a paying customer this is how I felt.

I just jumped back into the track after a long layoff. Did a track day at Texas World Speedway with Ride Smart. I was blown away with the technology that group used. In the past a instructor would say "you are off line in turn three and parking it turn 12--carry more speed", and the student would reply "No I'm not". Ride Smart coaches actually follows with go-pro's, then sitting in a air condition classroom is mandatory after each session. The coaches would dissect your video---and videos don't lie! Gradually throughout the day they would loosen up on the passing rules. If you came up to a group that was being "coached", a clean pass of the whole group was expected--or get the wrath. There is room for improvement how they run the novice group---in my opinion.

Do they now require novice for a rider new to the track?  Never heard of that before.  I could understand "hand holding" for the first session in intermediate, but throwing someone in novice because it is the first time at a track is pretty extreme. 

The video thing is awesome.....I've always recommended video, and always have at least 1 camera going when on track.  My first trackday ever with MotoSeries, Jinu was rolling around novice with the camera going...seeing yourself really puts things in perspective.

15 hours ago, Limitedslip7 said:

I'll agree with you on getting bumped, I was kicking myself in the ass all day for not showing up earlier or registering the day before. Totally my fault. Although, I've been walking on to I group for the past few years without any issues. 

I disagree with you on open track time though. The open track time at the end of the day is a great way to actually apply what you learned without having your hand held and is what got me hooked on track days. You learn a lot from getting a tow all day but it doesn't force you to find/use your own markers instead of just watching the bike in front of you. As for getting passed, N group would probably be the place to get used to it. With the lower speeds and straights-only passes, the occasional brake check or swerve likely won't end in catastrophe. Better to get used to it then than get bumped to I group and get buzzed mid corner right off the rip. I feel the new format might turn some of the new guys off to track days before they get to experience the joys of open track... I guess that would mean more space in I group though? 

I'm in complete agreement, there should be open track in N...last one or two sessions depending how the day went IMHO.  Before that there should be some "controlled" open track via leap frog to let the riders get a feel for the open track while gauging them, catching any issues and providing feedback.  Go straight to open track after lunch and there isn't time for that feedback loop.

2 hours ago, ludwb675 said:

True but if i don't use the money for a 50/50 shot Sunday, I can go to Mid-O next week!  Weather is looking great at the moment for all of next week. (Which i will be preregistering for this time)

can understand the logic!

1 hour ago, Jester_ said:

I need to sand off my brake rotors, and wash the truck and maybe trailer between tonight and tomorrow afternoon. I will probably be at the track around 6ish, will setup and head back home. 

 

If anyone else needs a place to sleep there is room in the trailer for 2 people pretty comfortably. 

dude, that ain't cool, I had activities planned that utilize the extra space.....

57 minutes ago, J_Copeland said:

I'm not riding,but hopefully I can come out and P.B.
Oh,and if Ryan still has that Bell Helmet bag,I'll buy it from you.

thanks for reminding me.....just set a reminder in my phone or I'd leave it at home for sure.  I'm assuming you need a 600 to go with the bag?!?!

22 minutes ago, ludwb675 said:

Sunday's weather just went to shit. Looks like i'll have to wait until next year to ride the new half. :Sad Trombone:

I've seen worse forecasts turn out beautiful (and better turn out shit....Road Atlanta at the start of the season ).

45 minutes ago, Jester_ said:

I recently developed a bad track record with Triumphs so I'm out on that. 

6 minutes ago, jbot said:

that is merely the curse of gingervitis.  my bike is free of such sins.

that is some good shit right there

Dan, it was only every other time you came back with the crash truck....batting 50% for the weekend.

2 hours ago, Vagabound said:

Well, apparently I was highly consistent with usernames back then! 

Nice!  Seems I can register for a website and by the time it makes you actually log in, I'll struggle and need 5 attempts.

20 minutes ago, ludwb675 said:

I never register before the late fee kicks in (10 days?) as the weather changes 15 times in that 10 days. I refuse to ride in the rain and i have saved a few days by doing that. And with being 3 days, i figured it would be more spread out and not sold out. With that, i did the novice thing and made lemonade out of it. 

But i was surprised that they did change up. I remember when i was doing novice, i loved the leapfrog thing. It gave the instructor a chance to follow you and help with body positioning. And the classroom time was much more formal. We talked about apexing, body positioning, braking, etc. as a group. Now it was just talk with your instructor for a few minutes after each session. I liked it as it gave me more time to relax, but looking back when i was new, it really helped me learn to ride a track. Our instructor said he didn't like leapfrog as it separates the groups and people get lost and all mixed up; which i can understand. And with 32 people in novice, i think there was too much speed differential between everyone to just do an open track anyways.

No leapfrog?  OK, now that is lame.  How can an instructor even give good input if they are in front the whole time?

Leapfrog gives a new rider a taste of freedom while still being reigned in....best session for both the rider and instructor.  Everyone, no matter the pace, can learn a ton from a session of leapfrog IMHO

Just now, Jester_ said:

Speaking of takeoffs I still have 2 off yours in the trailer. 

I'll figure out a way to haul them away them this weekend

so, if the 675 can find it's way to the track, any idea what the rubber is like?  I can bring along and mount up some take-offs

if I remember right, the NESBA username and password should have carried over....had trouble with it when I first tried to sign up too

Not trying to be a dick, but the forecast was looking perfect all last week....did you guys really not expect the days to sell out?

to add to that; intermediate riders, bumping to novice because their group is sold out, and complaining about the rules?  lol

The rules are there for everyone, including the first timer who is just figuring out the track....the guy who looks behind, slows down or veers "out of the way" when he hears a bike behind him.  The rules aren't there to make you happy, they are there to make the track a safer place.  You think a first timer is ready for open track after 3 sessions?  I definitely wasn't.  If you make open track all afternoon in novice, you are expecting everyone who is having a difficult time to speak up and request a CR to help...that won't happen and there will be issues caused by it.  If you don't need the structure and feel you are capable, bump to intermediate.  

1 hour ago, Trackbikez said:

Speaking of -- has anyone received the e-mail about it yet?  I haven't received anything.  I'm hoping to do both 9/6 and 9/7 back to back, weather dependent.

haven't seen or heard of anything, last year they sent out an email the week before requesting an RSVP/rider info 

24 minutes ago, J_Copeland said:

 

I though you were still putting it together ?

 

lack of motivation and the 750 transmission taking a dump put it on the back burner.  Say the word and I'll try to have it at PIRC this weekend....would all depend on how quick the 750 goes back together.

3 minutes ago, jbot said:

i have a nice 2012 Triumph 675R

you too can ride your way to victory on a pandarrrrr

You should get Brandon to bring it to PIRC for a test drive....really considering a newer bike this winter.

15 minutes ago, J_Copeland said:

 

I have a nice SV you could buy today.

 

I've got a 600 you could buy today.....

should be fine to pass tech if it is taped up, even with a little light leakage.

sounds like you are a lot closer to being ready than some of us....

4 hours ago, durk said:

I would like to but I need to get gloves for the track and that's not gonna happen at this point. I just got rid of the 600rr and picked up a 1000rr. I've spent spent some money with that transition and my wife has already told me she feels like there are new things arriving daily to our house. Then I got a ticket last week. She was not impressed. So I'm gonna hold off and do the track thing next year. 

I've got a couple spare sets of gloves.....test ride before you buy?!?

I'll be there Wednesday....considering tomorrow too, but there is a lot that needs done first.

After checking the other shift fork paths, the gear holes are all a couple splines off the shaft oil ports...although they are not all equally spaced.  So it is going back together the way it came apart.

the problem is: if the hole on the gear is misaligned with the shaft, the splines create a labyrinth seal....a complex path for the oil flow.  So, the oil will take the path of least resistance, out the sides of the gear, instead of flowing to through the complex path around the splines to the port in the gear.  So, if it is misaligned, the shift fork rubbing on the gear won't get much lubrication.  On the other hand, if the ports are lined up, the splines will get no lubrication.

Yeah oil is fed through the shaft and out the ports in the shaft.  For the bushings, the holes line up so the oil travels through the shaft and through the bushing....lubricating the gear that is spinning on the exterior of the bushing.

For the 3/4 gear, I'm not so sure.  If the holes are not lined up, oil would "float" the gear, making lateral movement on the splines easier (this gear is moved by the shift fork), but it would provide very little lubrication to the rubbing area of the shift fork.....where there was heavy wear.  If the holes are lined up more oil would flow to the shift fork, but the port would be wide open.....meaning reduced backpressure to force oil through the other ports/bushings.

Transmission torn apart and find this:

Yellow circles highlight oil ports in the shaft and through the 3/4 gear.  There are 2 ports in the 3/4 gear 180 degrees apart. 

I'm trying to figure out if the holes should be aligned, spaced a certain amount or what.

Current situation as it was disassembled is photo'd, so 2 splines separating the holes.

Manual makes no reference to this....just calls out aligning all the bushing holes.

Planning on putting the bike back together tomorrow, so hopefully I can get this figured out quick.