JackFlash

Remove B-Mac from LEAD and from event. S l o o o w Group A (...............) (LEAD) <---------NEED LEAD HERE tall_tracy bloodninja420 crazyskullcrusher JackFlash OhioFZ6 OhioFZ6's +1a OhioFZ6's +1b Grokked cptchaos (................) (Sweeper) <---------NEED SWEEPER HERE (CrazySkullCrusher, Tonik?) Remove Pokey from Maybe list. Maybe: mango_sv Link JohnG Bad324 (Remains a Maybe) NinjaDoc and the Michigan Riders Carwhore Anybody got a knife? .

I agree with the ten minute separation between groups. It could easily take an hour to get everyone beyond the starting line, but it would be organized much better that way. I also like the idea of a second route to start groups on. First group takes Route A, second group takes Route B, third group takes Route A, fourth group takes Route B, etc. That would create enough separation between skill levels to minimize catching up to the group ahead of you. First group would return to the start point, take a small break/refuel/go pee, then they would go on Route B. Second group would return, then go on Route A. Everyone would return to the starting point for festivities after the ride. The place to do this would be near a four-way intersection that would allow for a routes to go in two separate directions. I really like this idea. . .

This corrects/updates only the categories indicated below and reflects what I understand the current structure to be, as of 3:30pm, Tuesday, April 29th. I have no access to the front page and cannot place any updated information there but I do wish it was there for all to see. This is not engraved in stone. Some LEADs and Sweeper are placed in positions with the question of them actually attending. Even I still don't know if I'll be able to get off of work for this. I'll know, hopefully, before the end of this week. We do need LEADs and Sweepers. Step up! Information on this page updates only what is indicated here. The remaining, unaltered information in Post #246 should still be valid. At this point, I am stepping back and letting Derek do his thing, unless I am asked for assistance. This is work, especially with only one monitor, and scrolling up and down searching for information. If I ever step in on my own again without being asked, someone please cut my fingers off. Here are the updates, from my Post, #246 to now. Medium Fast! derekclouser (LEAD) kent2406 earache wolfman1 <------Would possibly LEAD Medium Group C quikaccord Koreo MaTS1200 Blitz (Strong maybe) whaler (Sweeper) Busarider +1 for medium.....This now makes it necessary to split Medium Group B into two groups unless Medium Group A absorbs a sufficient number of riders from Medium Group B. Helmutt and Snot, how many are in your merry band of Daytonians that you need to keep together in your group, and who are they? It would be very helpful for us to have that information at this time. The rest can be used to form and fill a third Medium Group if necessary. Thank you. Bad324 and Mykill, how many are you willing to absorb into your hand selected group, and who are they. It would be very helpful for us to have that information at this time. Thank you. Medium Group A mykill (LEAD) . . . <-------- These riders to be hand . <-------- picked per request of . <-------- the LEAD and Sweeper. . . . Bad324 (Sweeper) (This group's structure is flexible based on Bad324's attendance.) Medium Group B hellmutt (LEAD) 2.slow rollnhot hahafzr <---------- Many in this Group request to stay together as they tweak740 ninjachk08 JStump <---------- are traveling to the event as a whole and prefer to stay Connie14 DUBIE J_Copeland <---------- together. The remainder can form Medium Group C if necessary. Busarider Busarider's +1 snot (Sweeper) Medium Group C (................) (LEAD) (Wolfman1 possibly) . . This Group will form as necessary, . to maintain a manageable number . of riders in the Medium skill levels. . It will form from the overflow of . Medium Group B and possibly new . arrivals with adequate riding skills. . 330racing (Sweeper) Medium S l o w (...............) (LEAD) <------NEED LEAD HERE shadyone DAC dizzledan (Maybe) mike53ali (Sweeper) Hahafzr's addition of 2 riders makes it necessary to create S l o o o w Group C. It will be necessary to shuffle people about, to even out the riders in the Slooow Groups. That can be done on site. What you see below is only a sample for the Slooow Groups. S l o o o w Group A B-Mac (LEAD) tall_tracy bloodninja420 crazyskullcrusher JackFlash OhioFZ6 OhioFZ6's +1a OhioFZ6's +1b Grokked cptchaos (................) (Sweeper) <---------NEED SWEEPER HERE (CrazySkullCrusher, Tonik?) S l o o o w Group B (................) (LEAD) <----------NEED LEAD HERE (Connie14, DAC, DizzleDan?) kz kari Jhawk Tonik smccrory (Confirmed to relieve Malaysionnvasion for video purposes. Thanks, Scott.) 2talltim Grokked (Maybe) Tonyblaze (Maybe) jd724 (1st ride w/us) malaysionnvasion (Sweeper) Rotate w/smccrory for video purposes. S l o o o w Group C (...............) (LEAD) <-------NEED LEAD HERE hahafzr's +1a hahafzr's +1b jschaf's +1a jschaf's +1b jschaf's +1c jschaf's +1d (...............) (Sweeper) <----NEED SWEEPER HERE If you are on this list, you have indicated you will attend, however, you have not indicated which group you choose to ride with. Please post which group you desire to ride with so that more lose ends can be tied up. Thank you. That goes for you "Maybe" folks, as well. porschefan cdubyah hutch (Willing to LEAD or Sweep a group of 5.) jdonn (With Hutch in a Faster group) rhill (Willing to LEAD a Medium or Sweep a FAST Group) InyaAzz rawlins87 Heagachongoose zx3vfr (Willing to Sweep Slow-er Group) Maybe: mango_sv Link Pokey JohnG Bad324 (Remains a Maybe) NinjaDoc and the Michigan Riders Carwhore

I'm inclined to agree, given that I've listed out the current structure of where people wished to be placed and who has stepped up to LEAD/Sweep. But, what's the point of even having an event/ride if everyone takes off in their own little packs at their own pace? That leaves out the single riders. Plus, people can plot their own routes without needing to attend the event. .

But, you can sweep the fast group, right? FAST!! jschaf (LEAD) OhioFZ6's +1 WHO ELSE IS IN THIS GROUP? Tpoppa (Sweeper) .

I am one of them. .

Insurance. I buy insurance, but I don't intend to use it, unless I have to. .

I think a limit of ten bikes per group is required. Eleven bikes equal a group of five plus a group of six. .

Can you be more specific, please? .

I agree that we should expect many more riders than what have posted up. My intent was to find the holes needing filled by additional LEADs and Sweepers as we do not have enough stepping up to the plate for these roles. One of the largest issues from last year was that the groups were too large. Knowing where planning is deficient early on can help one to avoid ending up with groups of 25 riders with no one wanting to lead or sweep, and no one in the group having ridden the route before then. Based on what you said here >> Last year, we only had about 40 or so people listed to showing to the event and we had over 75 bikes. .....to me that suggests we need twice the number of LEADs and Sweepers that we currently have listed. >> I just want organize leads sweeps based off how many riders we think we will have (and have some on reserve in case we get way more riders than expected). I think we have in the neighborhood of 60 riders listed. So, an expectation of 120 or more showing up is not out of order. Friends from the north are not even listed and Doc with his, probably growing, group of Michigan friends, could easily add another ten, being a group all their own. I think this thing is growing exponentially faster than the list of skilled riders needed for leadership roles. In the beginning, I was tempted to try and piece together what it would take to make this ride a success, but was glad that you stepped up and ran with it. I didn't want to do it without the support I wanted from others, but thought may be difficult to get. There are lessons to be learned here that can highly benefit us on future rides, if we pay attention to them, and use the information for improvement and fine tuning. We may also find that strict guidelines may need to be enforced in order to maintain a manageable event and for safety purposes. This is an event that I, as a fairly new rider, look forward to. But, I think I am now beginning to realize why some prefer to avoid riding on group rides, due to what it takes to put it together and keep it manageable. Anyway, I'm not trying to step on toes. I'm here to help do what I can, if needed. . .

PM sent, because I'm a little slow to understand. Thanks. .

Give me one with a rear rocket launcher, for those pesky tailgaters. .

This posting awaits the approval of DerekClouser. I had the day off and was bored. I read every single posting in this thread and based this information on your latest posts, and what you stated that you were willing to do. I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes. I'm only trying to fill some gaps and update information that needed put in place. Everyone, please read. If you are not listed, you need to post up and state which skill level you choose to ride in. If you are listed but have not indicated a preferred skill level, please do so as soon as possible. Thanks to all. ~ Jack . FAST!! jschaf (LEAD) OhioFZ6's +1 WHO ELSE IS IN THIS GROUP? Tpoppa (Sweeper) Medium Fast! whaler (LEAD) derekclouser (Sweep/Lead as needed) kent2406 earache quikaccord Koreo MaTS1200 Blitz (Strong maybe) 330racing (Sweeper) Medium hellmutt (LEAD) 2.slow rollnhot hahafzr tweak740 ninjachk08 JStump Connie14 DUBIE J_Copeland snot (Sweeper) Medium S l o w wolfman1 (LEAD) shadyone DAC dizzledan (Maybe) mike53ali (Sweeper) S l o o o w Group A B-Mac (LEAD) tall_tracy bloodninja420 crazyskullcrusher hawk JackFlash OhioFZ6 +2 Grokked cptchaos (................) <---------NEED SWEEPER HERE (CrazySkullCrusher, DerekClouser, Tonik, Bad324?) S l o o o w Group B (................) <----------NEED LEAD HERE (Connie14, DAC, DizzleDan?) kz kari Jhawk Tonik smccrory (Confirmed to relieve Malaysionnvasion for video purposes. Thanks, Scott.) 2talltim Grokked (Maybe) Tonyblaze (Maybe) jd724 (1st ride w/us) malaysionnvasion (Sweeper) Rotate w/smccrory for video purposes. Cruiser and heavy touring No one is listed here, so far. List up! List up! List up! Willing to sweep or lead whaler <------- I popped you guys into a slots, just wolfman1 <-------- to fill the holes. Say something B-Mac <--------if it doesn't work for you. smccrory (Possibly relieve Malaysionnvasion for video purposes in Slow Group, or other?) derekclouser Bad324 (Willing to Sweep) We could use some LEAD and Sweep alternates just in case some can't show at the last minute. Who's up? In addition, it looks like the slow group will be divided, for safety purposes, and another set of LEADs and Sweeps will be needed. Raise your hands. If you are on this list, you have indicated you will attend, however, you have not indicated which group you choose to ride with. Please post which group you desire to ride with so that more lose ends can be tied up. Thank you. That goes for you "Maybe" folks, as well. porschefan cdubyah Maybe hutch (Willing to LEAD or Sweep a group of 5.) jdonn (With Hutch in a Faster group) mykill (Willing to LEAD, but picky) rhill (Willing to LEAD a Medium or Sweep a FAST Group) InyaAzz rawlins87 Heagachongoose zx3vfr (Willing to Sweep Slow-er Group) Maybe: mango_sv Link Pokey JohnG Bad324 (We need a 2nd Slow Group LEAD & Sweep.) Steven.conley NinjaDoc and the Michigan Riders Carwhore Other: Dyingshadow (attending meet but not riding in a group) kmanlyst (attending meet but not riding in a group) Sag Wagon: SCQTT

I didn't know about the newer TV's. They don't need a separate box to use an antenna? I'm not a sports guy. My eyes glaze over watching people fight for domination of a ball. I like watching cars drive around in circles, motorcycles on a track, and girls wearing very skimpy outfits. .

That's how I do it too.

I think a complete and updated list of leads and sweeps is in order. Don't wait until a week before and have to scramble for them. They need to know ahead of time to study the route so they can actually lead. .

Yep! Me too. For me, I'm waving because they are riding on something that exposes them to the elements of weather. Farmers on tractors are another target of my waving hand, just as long as they are not enclosed in an air-conditioned, air-ride, 8-track music blasting plowing machine. If you are walking down the road, carrying a flashlight, I'll likely give you a wave before I realize it. . .

I wave to mopeds, scooters, bicycles, cars with one headlight, and pretty girls. I'll even wave to a snobby Harley rider and won't get an attitude if he doesn't wave back. I'm an equal opportunity kind of guy. .

I've had Dish. I've had TW. I have DirecTV and it's not any better. All of their programming sucks. It's full of 24 hr commercials. I have Windstream DSL. It's fine. I had RoadRunner through TW. It sucked, fiber optic or not. I've thought about getting rid of TV service and getting one of those antenna boxes for free TV and just subscribing to Net Flicks. For what TV costs me, I'm paying much more than I think it's worth. .

I would suggest a "Work for food" program. There are a lot of things that can be done by people needing a handout. No work, no eat, unless you are physically unable to do anything at all that is useful. .

I asked him about them. He mentioned hehas seen them become embedded in tires. Other than that, wasn't much said about them except that some people like them. .

>> so the only reason you work is to eat? No. But, continue to provide for others in such a way that they have no actual need to provide for themselves and they will not only continuously have their hand extended in expectation of being provided for, they will teach their offspring to be successful in doing the same. .

Me and some friends are meeting in Logan, Ohio on May 17th, for a big ride through some twisted roads in the lower part of the state and we welcome you to join us. Last May, there were around 70 riders that showed up from all over Ohio, some from Michigan, and at least one from Indianapolis. This ride is a big deal for the OhioRider community. You don't want to miss this if you can help it. Read the details here: http://ohioriders.net/index.php?/topic/103963-unofficial-spring-2014-epic-ride-may-17th/ Hope to see you there. .