El Karacho1647545492

I understand. What I'm saying is that 25 years ago, people would've scoffed at the idea of people bringing guns to school to keep kids safe, but we're having that debate right now. Given that, is it so ridiculous to think we may have the debate on whether or not to arm students in 25 years? After all, the law says that a properly background-checked 18 year old is perfectly OK to own and fire a rifle or shotgun within local stipulations. I agree it's a completely ridiculous concept, but I'm sure there are many people in this country who would feel much more at ease if their 18 year old son or daughter were able to defend him/herself from a school shooter rather than relying on security provided by the government.

I like this response. I will say, however, that your view on school budgeting is out of whack. You have schools cutting sports, arts, pretty much anything out of the budget they can not because of security, but because public education is one of the easiest things to squeeze in a recession. You're talking about a school district pulling $40,000/year (not unreasonable) PER school. Lets assume this is a very small school district with only a elementary, middle, and high school. That's $120k right there, and assuming it's small enough to only need 3 schools for all the students, there can't be THAT much tax revenue coming in. $120k is a lot for a school budget. Also, an addendum to my original 5 questions: 6) Should schools be responsible for providing security on buses as well? Attempting to get in the deranged mind of a school shooter, I think to myself "well if an assault at the school will be curtailed by a security guard there, why not attack the school bus where there's 50 defenseless kids packed in a tiny area with minimal escape routes and a single adult who, even if armed, would be taken out easily by element of surprise?"

I bet if you asked someone in 1987 (year I was born) if there should ever be armed security personnel at elementary schools, they would react the same way. Yet here we are... That's why it's considered.

The reason I asked #2 is because there is a possibilitiy that a large group of high-quality teachers would, given the requirement that there be some staffers who legally carry concealed weapons, potentially leave their jobs and as a result the quality of American education would suffer. IMO most problems can be solved with very good education and critical thinking, and I think showing kids at an early age that guns are more welcome in schools than good educators is a VERY bad idea. It says to me that we must be paranoid, or fearful, perpetually vigilant, or whatever you want to call it. Again, this is hypothetical, but I don't think it's treading outside the realm of reality.

I wish this to be a somewhat serious discussion. Completely disregarding the gun CONTROL debate, the alternate solution I am hearing a lot of is to have guns in schools, whether being wielded by teachers and administrators or hired security. I'd like some questions answered by those who believe this is the solution, because I'm currently having a hard time wrapping my head around the argument: 1) Do you or have you ever held the belief that schools are over-funded, that teacher's unions are wrong, or that tax dollars are better spent elsewhere than paying for the best quality teachers for EVERYONE? 2) Do you feel that school faculty should have compulsory arms training in order to facilitate this? Do you think faculty should have a greater, less, or equal say than the average taxpayer/voter on this job requirement? 3) Do you feel that security at ALL schools should be paid for with tax dollars? If so, where should already-thin school budgets make concessions to make this possible? 4) Should hired security be from private firms or public servants such as police officers or national guardsmen, and to what extent? Is one person enough? 2? A whole squad? Should they be minimally armed and protected, or fully kitted out with automatic rifles and armor? 5) Should only faculty be allowed to carry weapons, or should properly trained 18 year old seniors be allowed to tote rifles and/or shotguns for personal protection? I think my bias is somewhat obvious here, but I'm not trying to challenge your beliefs with this thread. I have a certain set of beliefs and I wish to be challenged on them, and to hear the reasoning for why I might be wrong. EDIT: This thread isn't meant to generate stat-spam. I don't care about your wall of numbers why something ELSE is more dangerous than guns, or how properly wielded guns result in blah blah blah saved lives. This is more about the economics and social ramifications of having guns in schools. This is more about opinions that might conflict with my own so I (hopefully we?) can learn more.

You don't do that to send a message. You do that because you're an insensitive, deranged asshole. That is absolutely the wrong way to go about getting the point across.

I love anything with ginger beer. Rye & ginger, dark n stormy, light n stormy. all good drinks. The Jury Room downtown has an awesome drink called Jury Juice. Rum, lime juice, 7up.

"Please don't pander to the politics Mr. President" "Where is the outrage at the violent video games he played?" Fucking morons. EDIT: if that violent video games thing is a valid concern, why hasn't an NFL team recruited me after all the time i spent playing Madden

This is a very level-headed presentation of the differences between actual assault/military weapons and semi-auto rifles. The included presentation of a rifle being transformed from a tool for hunting to what many would call an "assault" rifle is very poignant. This was made right after the Stockton, CA shooting that was related to the Clinton assault weapons ban. Great way to present the anti-ban message to people who might not otherwise be receptive.

We've had 2 in here on trade recently and they both look, feel, and drive like shit. that CVT is the worst thing to go into a car since that awful Smart car "transmission"

LOL talking KBB "fair" for a car with 238k on it. Shit is rough at best. Save the truck and re-post it when we get our first snow, some wannabe businessmanchild will pick it up to plow

Cons: they suck

it will never be anything more than a truck with a hole in it, and it's not even good at being that.

preach!

it just seems like it'd be in violation of some law that insurance lobbyists would've pushed to get on the books. glad that's not the case

repair shops cover deductibles? aka they add your deductible to the bill they send the insurer. how is that not fraud? someone school me on this.

That's a pretty unique truck and despite some of the rot on the body, it looks like that rain lip is in great condition which was one of the first things to go on my '59 Apache. I'm sure whatever price she's asking/would take is fair, these trucks are a blast to drive around and they definitely get noticed. Engine compartment could probably fit whatever you want to throw in there too :megusta:

i'd remove the radio, then get rid of the gas pedal and instead hook it up to a decibel meter. want to go faster? yell louder.

Best pun ever

Drove 4+ hours out of my way when I moved back from Boston to Ohio to go to upstate NY to lay some pipe. Worth it since she had a cabin on a lake to herself for a week. then again, my occupation isn't "professional male escort"

Facts as far as I can tell: 1 shooter Ryan Lanza, 24 years old, went into the school to kill his mother, a kindergarten teacher among others. He was from the area. They investigated his home in Hoboken, NJ and found his father dead there. 20 kids killed, 7 adults including the shooter. Not sure if shooter's death was self-inflicted or not. Doesn't really matter. I'm heartbroken for all the families affected by this. Today no one is pro gun or anti gun control. We're not pro-homeschool or pro-school security. We are all parents, brothers, sisters, or children. We will all struggle tonight as we lie down and try to imagine life if this had happened to our family, and my only hope is that we will all wake up tomorrow morning and, instead of trusting our neighbors and coworkers and friends less, that we might reach out to one another in the hopes that a little kindness will prevent this kind of stuff in the future. EDIT: Father, not brother dead in hoboken

I do like the S, but that gigantic flat display in the center bugs the shit outta me. For a car with such beautiful, flowing curves, a big flat screen just ruins the look of the interior. I'm glad we're not far off from technology that allows curved screen surfaces in cars.

what if it's an AIDS bomb

Step 1: Find a sucker Step 2: Tell that sucker that all 100 boxes contain $100k but he can only have it if he opens every box Step 3: Take all the cash when the sucker hits the wrong box, and then open the rest of the boxes and go home a multimillionaire with one less shitty friend that'll try to mooch off you

why would he do that? he only has one system. why would he need 32 system folders?