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You're right, just about every report I've seen shows the same headline. :dumb: CONFIRMED: The US Economy Is Much Weaker Than We Thought Read more: http://thestockmarketwatch.com/news/news.aspx?articleid=574944#ixzz28BOyhyBf The Federal Debt Is On Track To Grow By Another $1 Trillion In Fiscal 2013 Read more: http://thestockmarketwatch.com/news/news.aspx?articleid=576717#ixzz28BfgGsnH

Looks similar to the new Fusion http://eartheasy.com/move_plug-in_fusion.jpg

he's still shaking his head saying "I told you so" about the mess Clinton gave us and got the ball rolling. he's taking his money and enjoying life and I can't blame him. you can't save stupid.

Track record of proving he can save a company is financial straights. Being man enough to take a job (make a job really) based on being paid only if he delivers results. Actually delivering results vs being a smooth talker. Don't believe me or buy that, that's fine, set Roney aside and instead line up Obama's wins. Let's look at what he's done while in office; forget "looking forward". What has his "hope and change" brought to our people? How has he made an impact that is even remotely close to warranting a second term let alone justifying his first four years.

The real irony is it's true the economy sucks and Obama has failed to deliver. Feel free to show us your graph of this positive trajectory you speak of and the facts that how impactful change on American's lives. You talk a good game just like Obama. How have his results fared for the US so far? Any track record of success worth reviewing surfaced in four years or are we relying on that Hope and Change bullshit again? Let's me stand here with holding my Johnson while we analyze our reality and celebrate the wins Obama has brought our people as we all cheer on the riches we have before us. Fixed.

Same here....and the downside a write in like those available is you're basically going to tip the scale to Obama. Let's face it, the fact that the people voted him into office is key enough to show America was dumb four years ago. The next litmus test will show if they are brain dead enough to put him back for a second term. :dumb: Dude, we don't have four more years. There's zero need to worry about putting blame squarely on him. Unless I've completely missed all the success he's had at creating a better America and the improvements we've seen in our daily lives, he's failed to deliver and that's all we need. Even he can't talk his way out of not delivering.

The GTO is an Australian Mullet Mobile. (all do respect for mullet mobiles) The Caddy is a 4 Door Vette with class. :gabe:

and I'm not knocking them.....but things you like are one thing, but when facts like this come out again and gain, it's clear the guy in charge is not getting the job done. give people a job, a steady and good income and their quality of life will go up. It's time Obama STFU about what his plans of Hope and Change and Go Forward are going to bring us. Again, a great orator. How about he start presenting some facts about himself and his accomplishments for once and stop talking and start showing. He can't and hasn't for four years.

Haven't you heard, the trajectory we're heading in is in a positive direction :fuuuu:

When you get to a point where you have money outside a 401k you'll see my point. Saving you money on health insurance is a far cry from helping Americans with what they need most, getting a job and making money. Nor is his approach helping our children today. The debt and financial hardships they are facing makes me sad. Great accomplishments. Not exactly what I call the priority target for a man in his position to focus on given the situation our country is in. Your mileage may vary.

....still waiting on Obama to come to the table with something of substance such as helping anyone make money....oh wait, does extending them social services count?

Nope.....he did his job which was to be profitable. He also took no guaranteed salary at Bain either so yes, he was paid on profitability. Hmmm...agreeing to be paid only if you deliver results...yeah, I approve of that. His role at the time wasn't to save this country. He did was his job was to do. He's simply being a smart businessman. His income was derived mostly from capital gains and dividends from his investments that are taxed differently and well below the 35% top tax rate of standard income. If you want the same go let your money work for you and invest millions in the market and use the same tax laws he's using. There's no vudu magic about it. The reason income like that is taxed less is because it's in investments keeping the economy going. The wife and I put every penny of her income made into investments. Makes no sense to pay more tax just to put it in the bank doing nothing when we can pay less and let it work for us. Anyone can do it.

Who cares what his approval rating was. That article continues to talk of his work at Bain and outsourcing which is what his job was. He wasn't hired to keep jobs in the country, he was hired to save those companies and turn a profit. He did his job and it's clear and he's clear on what his new job as president would be and clear on the fact that it would be handled differently. He's effective and knows how to run a business and save failing businesses. Does he make a shit ton of money of investments? Yep...kuddos. Does he know how to minimize his taxes according to the law? Yep, again, he's smart, Does he have a track record better than Obama doing what's needed. Yep. Bottom line, he's a successful businessman and yes, that's what this country needs.....given the two choices we have.

The irony in this anology would be Mark aka Atomic Fusion is Romney and Dwiggs is Obama. Obama hasn't bailed out a plugged up bath tub let alone a company in distress. No different than Dwiggs hasn't raced his turd down the track.

No sense in arguing, I stand by my points already mentioned that the downfall we're in is something Obama can't fix and has no track record of knowing how to fix. He's talks a great game though. If we stand by trying to spend our way out of things and have a President that was stupid enough to think stimulus packages to people was the answer, we'll get more of what we have today. Add to that he's the type of President who feels Gov't needs to be more involved and is going to be the saviors of those in need, we're really headed for the poor house. The financial position this country and it's people are in is a fucking train wreck and if anyone thinks Obama and Biden have a clue come close to having a clue how to fix it, please show me what they have done to even make a dent or their past experience doing so on any level. If they knew how they would have done it or showed us clearly that we're on track. $16T and millions out of work doesn't equate to success.

Bottom line is the Clinton administration tried to encourage home ownership for the lower middle class and poor, rolling the dice that having flexibility in lending to such people would lead to growth of the middle class. You watch, in 20 more years the same "teflon" bullshit will be bounced around about Obama fucking up healthcare in the US. Bill Clinton has spoken on the subject and even he stated that the fault lies with the Democratic Congress for resisting MORE regulation from the Republicans and his administration. So instead of controlling things, they let the system go out of control. Obama is tied to ACORN who bullied the banks and lenders. I remember when this all happened. They went to the extent of harassing bank officials and picketing their homes and offices if a real estate mortgage loan had been declined a poor applicant. The results were called long before the bubble burst. Until the people in this country stop trying to make the poor the new middle class, we're going to continue getting what we aim for....Poverty, The New Middle Class. I'm sorry but what we once new as The American Dream needs to be worked for and trying to figure a way to get poor people to be home owners wasn't the answer. Trying to support them as if they are the working middle class isn't the way either. It's ironic that that deadbeat who won the lottery died. Proof that throwing money at them isn't going to fix them either. They have to help themselves first.

I prefer to look a the facts as to who supported the practices to allow lower income Americans with shitty credit histories the ability to buy a home at the expense of others. Facts are that practice was put in Motion by Clinton and we're left with the results. He also thought NAFTA was a good move and again, we're paying the price. No need to debate the reality of what we were given under his role as PODUS. Obama's results are also proof that four more years of his leadership will plunge us further into oblivion. Welcome to the American Dream as defined by the Dems. Come buy a house with no money down, where we don't care about your credit. You deserve a chance to live the dream. Then go furnish it and further live the dream by refinancing it beyond what it's worth, we don't care. Don't understand what you're signing? We don't care, just sign the papers, it will all work out, we promise....and in a few more years, we'll cover your healthcare too even if it means taking from the people who work hard for their money to cover the costs.

Summarized for you :gabe:

further proof money can't fix stupid.

He did his job plain and simple. His job was to save the companies. His role as president would be completely different and he can do it and has the skills. Obama couldn't put forth a budget let alone balance one and has a piss poor track record of showing us any real success. What he did promise didn't come to fruition either and what did happen is he grew our deficit to what 16-17 Trillion? If you're upset about Roms 14% fed tax rate from investments, I bet you wouldn't be if you too had significant investments making you money. He also did not take all the exemptions that were available to him and donated millions to charity and his religious causes. Look up his salary while Governor and tell me if Obama would take the same in any role.

^^^ Damn! Clay coming out swinging the reality stick!! Nice!! 200% agree.

not probably, their policies are exactly what got us in this mess. the problem is the masses that follow Obama either couldn't hold a conversation on the matter or for those that know are fooled with his teflon way of talking. Clinton & Obama....what a fucking mess for this country. :dumb:

honestly, you'll get 100x more out of a good lens than you would even if you had a D800

Your new reality. Welcome to the club. :lolguy:

leftovers from the night of conception. btw I'll need more before long :gabe: