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Along those same lines, let's start rolling back some other regulations. Why require speed limits? Why require seatbelts? Not that many people speed, not that many people get in accidents. Might as well let people voluntarily choose to drive safely and hope it all works out. People who can't avoid accidents and can't drive reasonable speeds should just stay off the road... Not sure I'd call that mass punishment but more just law and order. These are great questions, but do you have any great answers? I on the whole don't get this mentality, not just in this context but in daily life, decision making at work, and more. It's this idea of "letting the perfect be the enemy of the good" that I've always felt is nonsense. You don't choose to do nothing/almost nothing while spinning your wheels trying to develop a solution that 100% of people are okay with. Every solution is imperfect in some way, and to quote Teddy Roosevelt "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are."

Couple things. First, the "under 54" mantra is silly. Second thing, the problem too few people are discussing is that people are on average dumb and selfish. Telling the public in mass to "use their own judgment" to do the right thing won't work. That was pretty well proven when more lax orders to stay home and avoid large groups were issued. Restaurants were still packed, bars were packed, stores were still reasonably busy, folks were still filling the Discount Tire waiting room to get their essential new rims, etc. Without accurate large volume testing, what would government direction to roll back lockdowns look like? - Only continue to maintain stay at home orders if you're over XX age? - Only continue to stay home if you're overweight, have COPD, have Asthma, have a history of pneumonia, have a weakened immune system, are a smoker, are pregnant, etc. etc. - Only continue to stay home (and do so for 14 days) if you have ANY symptoms, have travelled recently, have tested positive or have been exposed to anyone who's tested positive, etc. etc. - Continue to stay home if anyone in your household, anyone you provide care for, or anyone you must closely interact with fits any of the criteria above? Etc. Etc. Etc. The fact is it can't be enforced or even accurately followed by the public voluntarily. I think if we're all honest with ourselves we would all come to the same conclusion. As is the case with most governing, you have to manage to the lowest common denominator. Billy, Sally, and Stevie can't follow the rules and throw rocks during playtime, so outdoor recess is cancelled for everybody.

The people discussing "at risk" status as though it doesn't represent everyone must think it's as easily quantifiable as height, eye color, or gender.

Regarding testing, the fireman neighbor I mentioned further up the page was tested twice after the onset of fever and symptoms, and he tested negative both times. In both cases the staff caring for him basically said "you absolutely have this, we are convinced, but the testing has been a little inconsistent". Take that for what you will, not sure myself Same dude went to the ER late last night when his condition worsened. Was admitted and now has pneumonia. Stay safe folks.

FYI, my parents neighbor has has it. He's a 35-40ish year old man, a fireman in good shape, and my mom spoke to his wife today. He's had a fever fluctuating between 102 and 103 for the past 11 days, has been in and out of the ER three times, and in addition has the gastrointestinal symptoms (can't keep anything down). Apparently the most substantial food he's eaten so far is half a peanut butter and jelly yesterday. He's not better yet. Makes me pretty sure I don't want it, nor do I want anyone in my family to enjoy it.

The comments at the bottom of that article are.... something.

In terms of understanding, I think it's a result of the slightly positive data that's been released regarding to Ohio over the last several days. The second the data begins to show that containment measures are working and we aren't officially in shit's on fire territory, there will be pushes to get back to normal. Kinda like looking around saying "eh we're not all dead, lets quit all this silliness and let it run it's course. If you die you deserve it." Look closely and it seems like calls for this type of change/reverting back to normal is largely coming from the folks who can actually get back to their normal lives and work without subjecting themselves to a lot of risk. You don't see nurses saying let's get back to normal, or construction folks saying it, or really any blue collar "work with your hands" folks calling for relaxing measures yet. That's because their normal can't transpire via phone and email, as it requires getting out into the world, close contact, etc. Environments where individuals can't purely control their own risk, and are at the mercy of the lowest common denominators around them. That's why the huge sweeping measures are required, because people on average don't make good enough decisions on their own and put everyone else at risk. Some perspective would be good. There is a pretty glaring lack of it all around.

Just everything about this my man, are you serious? My god.

My company is also doing 2 weeks of furlough for all salaried employees, top to bottom. My first week is next week, with a second one later this month. No pay for those weeks, so I'll be submitting for unemployment supplement though I don't expect to qualify for much. Annoying, but I'm not salty about it as it's saving layoffs for a lot of our field staff who aren't even allowed entry to many client sites. In other news, I'm hearing grocery stores to be limited to 50 occupants starting this afternoon, with the Nat'l guard enforcing this at the entrances. I think Costco has been doing something similar voluntarily, but it's probably wise to institute a policy. The 2pm briefing should be worth watching.

PS - Survivability is also not solely related to the condition of a person's immune system.

This represents what I think is a major issue with the current order and its exemptions, basically labeling entire industries/companies as "essential", without clarifying which activities should be included or excluded. A ton of construction that shouldn't be continuing is ongoing, just because so many companies are using the exemptions as a free pass to continue business as usual (+ hand sanitizer and a "don't get close to eachother" pep talk/email). I get that landscape companies do serve critical roles in some places, keeping leaves picked up so drainage systems don't clog, keeping bushes trimmed and grass mowed around entrances to critical facilities etc. I mean, I understand that very large companies often don't have landscaping equipment of their own and it's not reasonable to let everything grow out of control for 2-3 months, but the normal fertilizing, mulching, spring planting etc. shouldn't be ongoing. Along those same lines, construction trades should definitely stay operational to continue performing support roles for essential facilities. If there's an electrical failure of local hospital equipment, or a mechanical failure at a facility producing ventilators/masks/gloves/whatever, or heating equipment goes down in the ICU wing of the hospital, then those "essential" companies should keep a skeleton crew on call to support those "essential" needs. The local apartment complex under construction (with no water supply to wash hands, and only 2 port-johns for 30 dudes to share) should NOT continue work onsite. Similarly, the construction of the new White Castle corporate office maybe shouldn't continue working, and Mom and Pop HVAC inc should probably hold off on upgrading the CVS thermostat to a flashy touchscreen model, but what do I know... The "plain language" of the order is supposed to be reasonably interpreted by companies individually, sending staff out in to the world only where truly "essential" needs are being met. From where I sit though, it's definitely being misused where companies are just looking for places that aren't shutdown to send their employees, taking the position that barely making payroll is less paperwork than furloughs and unemployment filings. There's no good answer, it's a shit show.

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This thing is so awesome I don't know if I could bring myself to race it. I guess if you ding it up you know a good sheetmetal guy lol. Keep up the sweet work.

LOL, just lol. Trump is no doubt a bad man and absolutely a bad leader. No painting required bud. No joke. I'll be itching for some examples of the pandemic response focused republican spending. No surprise, pulling "funds" from abortion providers is the go to right now, which is pure lol also.

Ah yes, the long-standing and widely respected media outlet moneycontrol.com.

So, the press conference this evening was.... concerning. I would best describe the conversation as disconnected from reality and incompatible with the facts shared by medical professionals up to this point. Also Dr. Fauci is no longer present or speaking. Seems real transparent / not at all swampy to me.

Man, Clay I've only met you a couple times. Surprised to hear you voted for Trump... But at the same time not surprised as I've been surprised so many times already by aquantinces and friends. At this point I've just written it off as sort of an ,"everybody makes mistakes," sort of scenario. Overall, I just want Bush back. Holy shit.

This definitely isn't his most egregious mistake so far, but the takeaway here is that he should stop rambling on about medical topics he can't accurately articulate. There are topics he can and should discuss, but as has been a continuing challenge for him, he struggles to shut the fuck up when he really should.

You'd be surprised how many people are still mandated to work and are out and about for that. Apparently our company has been identified by the gov as "essential" in several of these shelter in place mandated locations already, as we support a huge number of medical facilities, local transit facilities, government buildings, etc. I'm working from home mostly, but did have to visit a customer site yesterday. Nearly all of our ongoing construction work at hospitals has been indefinitely suspended, with the justification being that they don't want visitors/contractors in and out of the facility. Wife is an RN at Nationwide Children's, and though she now has an office job she has been directed to continue reporting to her office every day. The understanding is that if too much staff becomes sick or they can't adequately cover the demand she can be re-allocated to direct patient care. Crazy times.

Samesies. I'm in construction also, and in terms of actual installs and upgrades, obviously impossible from the office with the exception of some programming we can do remotely. All of my scheduled work onsite at Ohio Health facilities has been cancelled this week. Unfortunately not until like 12 hours before which is tough. We do have office employees though, like 50-100 of them, and there has been no mandate to work from home from corporate, just typical good practice emails etc.

I'm afraid companies are too afraid to take a stand, or be the first to close up or keep non essential employees home. Once they do so I think they would be praised by the public in many cases, but because there isn't much precedent there may be implications in terms of choosing to peel back workforce voluntarily. As in they could forfeit some rights to future recovery funding or legal recourse associated with losses. I dunno, just seems like a catch-22.

News from 3 days ago my man. I think this is what spurred the "be ready to deploy" notifications to our national guard folks in Ohio.

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Unless you're not planning to be within transmission distance of another person for the next 2 months treating this thing so minimally is pretty selfish and irresponsible. I think it's a similarly poor choice to encourage that mindset. I'm not concerned about the impacts this may have on my health personally, as I'm healthy and 33 years old. However, I have a 60 year old father who has recently received a hip transplant and is at high risk, and I have a grandma (88) and Grandpa (94) who are both at extremely high risk and still living in their own. My situation isn't super uncommon, really. My wife and I have chosen to inconvenience ourselves in order to limit our risk of getting this and/or spreading it to others. I'm doing what I can to NOT be a carrier, an easy hop in the chain to worsen the spread and elevate the peak intensity. I can't understand why others who aren't personally at risk can't/won't view it this way and continue to minimize it like crazy.

Wait hold up, doesn't believing information that I'm provided (other than that from Donny T) make me a sheep or something?