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That is pretty trick. The ariel atom weighs over 1300lbs and uses an actual car motor and can be made to be street legal. It would be hard to compare this thing to any actual car. Also, How is it hard to believe the guy kept it under 700lbs. He has probably weighed it. Steel tube frames are not as heavy as you might think, especially when they only need to support a motorcycle engine. Not saying it's not impressive. Just saying. It's believable.

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I think these are some good points. It's all sad though. It's also good to hear that the AFJ guys have moved past their "doing dumb shit on the streets" days and have taken their riding to the track. You do have to give them some credit there. I have met quite a few riders that need to follow suit. Riding like idiots on the street really isn't OK and the fact that race tracks and other forums are available to go fast and stunt makes it even dumber. No less, I really think things change when a kid dies. RIP. If anything hopefully a few more people realize this is dumb and start looking at visiting the track to do this sort of thing. Or going wherever stunters go to do there stunting stuff. That's like grove city or coshocton right? I can't remember.

I have never deliberately run from the cops. I have done a few wheelies and I've blatantly exceeded the speed limit. Haha, at yes. I was thinking the same thing. You can "swerve" a sport bike at well over 100mph. Have you ever watched Isle of Man TT? I didn't mean to go on such a rant. I'm just saying. There is a mixed bag of opinions on here about stunting, running from the cops and all that. And just because some of you are nanny's and others are rebels doesn't mean we have the right to judge. The poor kid, A was acting like a dumbass and B clearly wasn't a very good rider but I still hate to hear he is dead.

I've got to agree with the AFJ guys on this one. Put your opinions aside. The kid is dead. I think we all agree he was doing dumb shit but it's still sad and this is no time to judge him. If this was your dumbassed little brother or your son would you want people acting this way. I know there is some bad blood between this forum and AFJ and a lot of people think stunting on the street is stupid but let's not forget to be reverent at a time when a lot of people are likely grieving this kid's death. It's just not classy and generally bad form to get on a public forum and start bashing this kid cause he made a few bad decisions when his bad decisions resulted in his death. If he was still alive and a little beat up, I'd be saying the opposite. It'd be a lot better cause he might actually hear us. Maybe I'll put it another way. He will not benefit from anyone's rants. you are pissing on his grave. What if your dad was an alcoholic and died from liver failure. Would you run around telling everyone what an idiot he was. Or maybe even milder your dad dies cause he's a fat ass and ate like shit his whole life. Is his dying legacy going to be how he couldn't lay off the quarter pounders? Point is, get off your high horse. Everyone has their short comings and it's one thing to judge and criticize when they are alive but once they are dead all you can do is look at the situation and learn or reinforce a lesson. For all we know this kid was raised by morons and hung out with morons all his life. He probably didn't have near the privileges that a lot of us did. Is that an excuse for being an idiot. No it's not, but now he's dead. So, don't run from the cops, stunt on the highway and run into the back of trucks. It could make you dead. Got it.

doubt it's intentional. They are the same way at lunch time when everyone there is sober and ravari room is closed. I think it has more to do with all of the employees being pot smoking heavy drinking hippy kids that don't give a shit what you think about the service.

It's a great place to go at night while you are also drinking beer at ravari room. You aren't as worried about the service being fast if you can just drink beer while you wait.

I'll just put my 2 cents in here since I have some strong feelings about hound dogs. First the positive. Their pizza is awesome. I refuse to pick a #1 pizza as there are so many varieties and generally pizza is like sex. You can't have bad pizza. Just my opinion there. No less, the spicy and smokin joe's crust is awesome. OK, for the bad. 1. They are not 24 hour. They are late night but if you try to go there for lunch you may more may not get in around noon depending on if the cooks decided to roll out of bed. 2. They are by far the slowest restaurant I've ever been too and they are consistent. I have been there multiple times where it took 45 minutes to get my order taken, 45 minutes for the food to come out and my personal pet peave, another 45 minutes for them to take care of the check. This is in a dining room that is maybe half full. And in case you are wondering. I'm not one of those asshole customers that pisses off the wait staff. I have worked in food service before and I know better than to come in there and act like every one needs to bow down to me. I have respect for the people working those jobs, but there is no reason for a pizza place to have service this shitty. Aside from everyone there likes to "take the trash out" a little too often. Anyway, I love hound dogs pizza and the Ravari Room but I wouldn't go there if you are in a hurry.

That's getting to be a pretty good deal. Somebody buy Chad's bike. Can't do much cheaper for a clean, clean title 600cc sport bike with pretty new tires and unmolested chicken strips.

The school bus is crazy. Was that a real power wheelie?

All info can be found here. http://www.daytonmc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45&Itemid=50 here is the short version Gates open at 9:00 am First Bike up the Hill at 1:00pm Admission is 15.00, children under 12 FREE Parking is FREE I-71 to exit 36, follow signs 2.5 miles, or St. Rt. 42 , 1 mile south of Waynesville follow signs to 1086 Corwin Rd, Oregonia Ohio. Oregonia is 10 miles North of Kings Island.

Haha, love that I was quoted about pissing as the opening to this thread. Look people. This is one of the coolest events I attended all year last year. I had never been to a hill climb before. Hopped up bikes, a giant hill, milk jugs of beer. Maybe I'm a hillbilly but this is awesome. Here are some pics from last year to show you what I mean.

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This is a friend of mine's bike. bike is very clean. http://dayton.craigslist.org/mcy/1923678875.html

did you discuss with them how much they'd pay you if they didn't total it. My insurance guy was really reasonable about it. I think it's less headache for them to not total it and no matter what anyone says the bike is worth more with a clean title. Sounds like the pay out would be about the same if they will pay out 3/4 the value of the bike to fix it and you'd have less hassle and a clean title. Same money, but better situation for you. Go ahead, do the math yourself.

If the bike is still rideable. you might be able to get them to leave the title clean and pay out 3/4 of the value of the bike. Which is usually about the same as getting paid the full value of the bike and then buying it back except you get to keep a clean title. I had a wreck awhile back where the damage was mostly cosmetic and the cost to fix it was actually way less than an actual insurance quote due to the really high cost of parts from the dealer. I kept a clean title and was able to be payed 3/4 of the value of the bike. Then I just replaced everything that was damaged with better than OEM aftermarket parts At the time I was with Geico and anything under 3/4 of the value of the bike paid back was not a total. Me and the agent talked it over and he thought it was reasonable. Otherwise he would have totaled it.

This is why private sale is more complicated. When I say I'd be put off. I don't mean I'd be pissed. I just mean I'd be feeling like I don't know if this guy is really interested in selling the bike or not. I understand all the consequences of letting someone ride your bike that you don't know. It's just a predicament because letting a person actually see what they are buying really helps them along in the process of buying it. As far as joy rides. I think that is less common than you think. Very few people who don't know how to ride are going to be brazen enough to call up a complete stranger and go out and "rape" their bikes if nothing else out of fear for their own safety. If you actually get a buyer that shows up with cash in hand the "test ride" is probably just a formality. They were gonna buy the bike anyway. From a legal standpoint. You having their cash in your hand when they wreck your bike doesn't really do much for you. You still need to sign over the title and all that. You having their cash in hand might help you to strong arm them into the sale but in reality I don't think it means much. I would think this sort of thing would become a civil matter if you couldn't come to some sort of agreement right there, whether you had cash in your hand or not. I'm just saying. I've never had cash in hand for any test drives and I've never had any problems. I have sold more cars than bikes though. I think I only sold 1 bike actually and it was my friends scooter. But... if I was selling my ducati for instance. Someone would really need to ride it to understand why they want it. I'm not selling it though.

I assume he means the company could fire you upon finding out that you lied about your qualifications and or could sue you. I feel that the responsibility also rests with the hiring company to check this stuff out. but even on match.com or where ever else this sort of information might gain you an advantage it's on the other party to do their best to be a good judge of character. There are liars all over the place and military honors is just 1 of many things a person could lie about to try and make themselves look more favorable. It's the sad truth. You know, I will say this. If someone was in court, civil or criminal on any charge. I don't think information regarding falsifying military honors is going to put you in a favorable position with a judge.

Well civil suits are an entirely different thing and I wouldn't doubt a soldier could win a case against a liar in those cases and I honestly don't have a problem with that either on a case by case basis. I'm really not trying to say that these people should just be left to go around tarnishing the military. I really do think it's wrong. I just don't think arresting them is the answer.

I am illustrating a point. I'm aware you need proof. I completely agree that it's morally wrong and disrespectful. I just don't think it's criminally wrong. My statements are a bunch of Ifs. If someone was able to convince society they are a purple heart it doesn't give them a dominating leg up on everyone else like a police badge, uniform and car does. That's all I'm saying. Either way lying is wrong. If you wanted to make your car into a cop car to get respect that is great. But it gives you the ability to deceive people in a much more harmful way. That is why it's illegal. You might want to own an automatic weapon but have no intentions of killing a bunch of people. But the automatic weapon gives you the ability to kill a lot of people quickly so it's illegal. I'm not saying these laws are right or wrong per say. I'm just saying I can totally see where criminalizing lying about your military exploits opens the door for the authorities to pry even deeper into your private life. I don't think we need that on the account of saving honor and disrespect. And generally the people that are lying about this stuff that are truly harmful can probably be arrested on other illegal things they are doing anyway. It's more a spirit of the law thing I guess. Some bum on the street says he is a purple heart and you buy him a 40oz. Very little harm done. In bigger situations the lie about being a vet is probably one of many lies and deceitful things said. What if I lied to some kid about being his dad that he never met. How disrespectful is that. Is that illegal? No. Can the kid look into it if he wants. Yes. You know. Maybe a better analogy would be the flag burning law. It's illegal to burn a flag for pretty much the same argument everyone is rooting for on the lying about medals thing. I can't see a difference there and based on that law it should be illegal.

Look at it this way. Impersonating a cop is against the law because you could do it to potentially rob someone, pull them over or generally gain the upper hand in a situation. Someone impersonating a police officer is potentially harmful to others. Now, although I agree that our military personal deserve our utmost respect and honor. I don't see someone lying about it as a threat to society. No one is going to pull me over on the highway with their purple heart or arrest me with their medal of honor. If we wanted to go down the honor road then there are a lot of people that deserve our respect and the slippery slope of convicting liars because it disrespects a person that truly deserves our respect is pretty steep. For instance, as you said, it's unfortunate there are a lot of squids on sport bikes giving motorcycles a bad name. We certainly aren't going to arrest the squids on account of them tarnishing the name of the motorcycle community. Of course that is ridiculous. I really think we need to differentiate between people deserving a very high level of respect and honor for the great things they have done for our country and people who could be considered a threat to our society. Or the difference between needing to preserve an organizations reputation as apposed to protecting our citizens from harm. What kind of chaos would there be if every car on the road was a cop car whether the people were cops or not? You can buy police auction cop cars, but the lights and decals have to be removed. What if they weren't. What kind of havoc could a mischievous kid cause with that, or worse a killer, rapist or child molester. Would the same chaos in sue if everyone on the road had veteran plates or was wearing medals of honor or purple hearts? No, it'd be a disgrace to our military, but no one would be at risk like the above example. So I guess the point is, no one here disagrees that our military deserves respect and honor. You just need to draw the line somewhere on what is criminal and what is not and that line is somewhere between threat to society and disrespect.

Yah, I gotta be honest. If I showed up to look at a bike and the guy says. Cash in hand to ride it I might be a little put off. Probably more put off than if they just said "no test rides" Even though I can respect either stance, they are likely to miss out on my sale either way. Again, I guess it depends on the situation. If it's a really really good deal I might over look these problems. If it's not a great deal and there are plenty of other bikes like it available I'd probably move on. At the very least I'd want them to ride it in front of me to show me it works properly. I guess what I'm getting at is, if the person shows up and can show that they have a valid motorcycle endorsement and are insured to ride my bike then I'd probably let them ride it because ultimately the bike needs to sell itself.

+1 how far up your ass would you like the government to be looking? Should you lie about this stuff? No Should you go to jail for lying about it? No Should the police and government be bothered with checking up on every Tom Dick and Harry that says they were a war vet? No It's a waste of time, a waste of resources and it isn't hurting anyone. If it's a job reference, the potential employer should check into it. If it's a potential relationship then the other person should be determining this stuff. The police don't have the time to check on every single person that cries wolf in the country when they are busy dealing with a lot more important stuff.

I'd use my discretion. Selling just about any scooter I'd probably just take their licence. If I was selling a liter bike I might take cash in hand first depending on the "feel" I get from them. If I knew there person and know they are a good rider of course that would be a different story. It's a predicament because fact is, letting them ride it sells the bike. But of course you don't want them to crash it. I guess you could just make sure they are insured.