BDBGoalie Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) I'm opposed to involvement because we don't need to get involved in their civil war. (Unless involvment means nuking all of the Middle East) Also, if we do go in, it will be a never ending "peace-keeping" mission again. They won't be willing to do what is necessary to suceed. If they were willing to fully engage with air power, unrentless tomahawks and arty, loosen ROE/EOF, and persue over borders to prevent fleeing/hiding out, we could end this quickly with a significant show of violence of action.Hell a response like that could get countries to take us seriously again. The Middle East would hate us more, but who really gives a shit about what they think? Once they are out of oil, they will be ignored by the civilized world.But that won't happen. We'll dip our toe in the water and get stuck in the pool. Edited August 27, 2013 by BDBGoalie 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDBGoalie Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Not real thrilled at all, especially knowing that my son is heading to Ft Benning next June for infantry. You may not be thrilled, but he will be much happier in a combat zone doing what he signed up for than dealing with garrison shit and INF training without a target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I agree, but are we willing to look the other way while the syrian government poisons it's own people?How big of an atrocity would it have to become to justify our involvement? What about our people? There is a point where we should start puttingourselves first. We have huge money problems in this country that aregoing to continue to haunt us in ways we can not yet imagine. There are other countries besides us. With all the money Saudi Arabia has,why don't they jump in? The rest of the world hopes we will jump in so thatwe become even weaker economically. This is part of the financial attackthat has been promised will happen to us. O'fuckhead is just helping italong. Sign up and go. Jump on over there and straighten up those Arabs. Sendus a postcard. Just stop sending our troops into shit that isn't for our defense.It costs us in lives, money, future progress, friendships, and all sorts of othershit. There are too many other countries that can take care of this kind ofcrap. They just let us because our stupid ass government is willing to spendus into non-existence and they will come in and buy us up for pennies on thedollar. Okay then, at what point SHOULD we intervene? do we allow another holocaust to happen? There's a point at which we draw the line, and I'm drawing it now. Let someof the rest of the world clean up some messes at their expense instead ofours. It's always our pockets the rest of the world has it's hands in. Wherethe fuck does it end? . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 They just let us because our stupid ass government is willing to spendus into non-existence and they will come in and buy us up for pennies on thedollar. Wait, Who said we were for sale?If so...Who has the money to buy us? China (collectively, if you include all of it's citizens) we owe them a trillion dollars... but if the dollar loses it's value, we owe them less money... if the dollar becomes worthless we owe them a trillion sheets of toilet paper, and we could have charmin pay them in full in under an hour... That doesn't mean we are for sale, or will ever be for sale... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Wait, Who said we were for sale?If so...Who has the money to buy us? China (collectively, if you include all of it's citizens) we owe them a trillion dollars... but if the dollar loses it's value, we owe them less money... if the dollar becomes worthless we owe them a trillion sheets of toilet paper, and we could have charmin pay them in full in under an hour... That doesn't mean we are for sale, or will ever be for sale... Get your head out of the sand.We won't owe them in US dollars.US Dollars will fail to remain thereserve currency. These are not my words, but they say a lot. Last April... in a little-noticed move... Australia announced it was transferring 5% of its currency reserves from the U.S. dollar to the Chinese yuan.The deal was part of a broader currency agreement between the two countries that allows Australia's leading banks to handle trade settlements between the two countries without the use of the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency.As CBS Marketwatch explained, "The agreement does away with the need for companies and currency traders to first convert their Australian dollars or yuan into U.S. dollars."Similar direct-exchange agreements, swap lines, and bilateral trade agreements have now been established between China and virtually every major economy in the world: Japan, Brazil, Russia, India, Britain, and France – not to mention every economy in Asia. These agreements will allow China, the world's dominant consumer of commodities, to completely avoid using the U.S. dollar in virtually all of its raw-material sourcing.Similar "dollar exclusion" agreements have been formed by Russia with its major trading partners. London-based HSBC, one of the world's largest banks, now predicts that by 2015, the Chinese yuan will equal the U.S. dollar and the euro in cross-border transaction volume...It won't be long before the USDwill be worthless and we will oweour debts in a currency far morevaluable and costly than whatour government is printing andinflating the value of today. We will never be able to recoverfrom what is being done to ourcountry by those in DC. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 It won't be long before the USDwill be worthless and we will oweour debts in a currency far morevaluable and costly than whatour government is printing andinflating the value of today. Wait, I haz a confuzed... By printing more, how are they inflating the value? I think you're confusing the Terms "inflating" and "inflation" InflationThe rate at which the general level of prices for goods and services is rising, and, subsequently, purchasing power is falling. Central banks attempt to stop severe inflation, along with severe deflation, in an attempt to keep the excessive growth of prices to a minimum. inflatingincrease (something) by a large or excessive amount."objectives should be clearly set out so as not to duplicate work and inflate costs" synonyms: increase, raise, boost, escalate, put up; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 I don't know, that's a good question though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) So, if a full blown war develops, what are you (everyone) going to do? Edited August 27, 2013 by ohiomike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Wait, I haz a confuzed... By printing more, how are they inflating the value? I think you're confusing the Terms "inflating" and "inflation" I can see that this is not worth discussing, and I don'tthink it is me that is confused. The government cannot pay it's bills, so it prints moneyto do so. It prints more than it has in gold to back upthe value of the paper money it prints. That makesour paper money worth less, and it buys us less. Webecome poorer, as a people, as a country. Watch this: http://youtu.be/U-tI-Wv1wko Perhaps inflating the value isn't what I meant to say. . Edited August 27, 2013 by JackFlash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Maybe YOU'RE confused... we're not on the gold standard anymore... Our currency has reached free market status, which means it's worth exactly what the market will bear... supply/demand has an effect, but there is also the full faith and credit of the united states government backing it... Incidently we're the wealthiest single nation, by far... so your "poor house: analogy is falling on deaf ears... Edited August 27, 2013 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Incidently we're the wealthiest single nation, by far... so your "poor house: analogy is falling on deaf ears...When did you move to Qatar, Singapore or a handful of others depending upon how you measure a countries worth? But no matter how you measure it you don't live in the US if you claim to live in the richest country in the world 'by far'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashweights Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Here's to wondering if chemical weapons in Syria becomes Obama's WMDs. God help us if a single US servicemember dies in Syria eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Here's to wondering if chemical weapons in Syria becomes Obama's WMDs. God help us if a single US servicemember dies in Syria eventually. Actually, they are Bush's WMD's there is little or no doubt they came from Iraq. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Actually, they are Bush's WMD's there is little or no doubt they came from Iraq.+1It's absolutely Bush's fault, no doubt about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 +1It's absolutely Bush's fault, no doubt about that! Well, dunno if it is his fault. But I do believe they are the WMD's he was looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 When did you move to Qatar, Singapore or a handful of others depending upon how you measure a countries worth? But no matter how you measure it you don't live in the US if you claim to live in the richest country in the world 'by far'.GDP about double our closest rival, china. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Maybe YOU'RE confused... we're not on the gold standard anymore... Our currency has reached free market status, which means it's worth exactly what the market will bear... Well, I suppose you are right. I went back and did some reading. Can I at least get you to admit that your motorcycle is ugly? . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Well, I suppose you are right. I went back and did some reading.Can I at least get you to admit that your motorcycle is ugly?.She may be ugly to you, but my heart goes pitter pat every time Iopen the garage door...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Well, dunno if it is his fault. But I do believe they are the WMD's he was looking for.everything bad that's happened since 2000 is his fault...duhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFlash Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Wait, Who said we were for sale?If so...Who has the money to buy us? We may have already been sold. NEW YORK – Could real estate on American soil owned by China be set up as “development zones” in which the communist nation could establish Chinese-owned businesses and bring in its citizens to the U.S. to work?That’s part of an evolving proposal Beijing has been developing quietly since 2009 to convert more than $1 trillion of U.S debt it owns into equity.Under the plan, China would own U.S. businesses, U.S. infrastructure and U.S. high-value land, all with a U.S. government guarantee against loss. http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/2013/01/21/china-will-trade-debt-for-us-land/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 So, if a full blown war develops, what are you (everyone) going to do? I'm going to do one thing and one thing only, Kill fuckin Nazi's! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 http://rt.com/business/oil-syria-price-150-098/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Seen this coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 any doings in the middle east always does this, why are people acting like this is news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted August 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 any doings in the middle east always does this, why are people acting like this is news Not news. Reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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