Tonik Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, SpecialEd said: This would be a discussion too lengthy for the average OR member's attention span--and pain threshold. Suffice it to say that there is always something substantial lost without the physical presence of grad students in a room working together and discussing course content. This is where the true learning takes place. Writing a solid master's thesis is just proof that one has achieved mastery of the course content comprising the degree requirements. I will take that as a no to my question. Follow up question: Do you think a brick and mortar education is factually more valuable, or are you just subconsciously defending the value of your profession? Unfortunately we may have to dismiss your answer as it too may be subconsciously influenced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoop Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 The original poster lady is NEVER coming back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tonik said: I will take that as a no to my question. Follow up question: Do you think a brick and mortar education is factually more valuable, or are you just subconsciously defending the value of your profession? Unfortunately we may have to dismiss your answer as it too may be subconsciously influenced. 1) after graduation, I received the union-prescribed initial step raise: $5k/year. Since then, another $15k/year was added. I am now at the top tier, but will be retiring soon. 2) no, my Hiram master's did not earn me more than a master's from another school. My intention was a quality education vs. a sheepskin from an average school and a lackluster education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shoop said: The original poster lady is NEVER coming back. You are correct, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve Butters said: Look! Something we have in common. I love bitches too! SMH . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I wish Sam would chime in on this thread. I miss his anger and acerbic, biting commentary. Sometimes Tonik is just not enough . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I hate to go off topic here and talk about motorcycles...but did you ever get your bike done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I did my bachelor's mostly brick and mortar with a little online mixed in. I did my MBA 100% online. The quality of education really is different. My bachelor's degree took way more work than my MBA. I finished my MBA in 18 months taking one class at a time (all my job would pay for) and I pretty much only did school work on Monday and Thursday nights. Unlike @SpecialEd, I didn't really care about the "quality" of education since I didn't need the degree to do my job, I just needed it to check the box on my resume for MBA and make me more eligible to promote past my current level. My program was cheap (free since my employer covered it), quick, and it was fairly easy, though I've always been able to coast through schooling. To each their own, but online education can be good or bad, it's all about what you make of it. In my entire college career I never once read a full chapter in a book, online or at a campus, so I'm not sure there's a ton of dofference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Who wants to fuck? Where'd the new girl go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer_kaw Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 @SpecialEd 42 weeks at UTI and you could gain the knowledge to get that bike on the road. Maybe then you and @Tonik could take a weekend trip and consummate that relationship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tonik said: I hate to go off topic here and talk about motorcycles...but did you ever get your bike done? My God, Jim, I'm amazed that you even remember this project! It was promised to me "this summer," but the builder is still "wrapping it up." Many of the parts are JDM, so there is more time involved sourcing them from overseas: swing arm from G' Craft, fenders, oil cooler, aftermarket speedo/tach, etc. Hoping to get some break-in miles on it before the snow flies. Just sent the builder $3k to cover parts--the first payment I have sent him since the project began in 2016. This is a ridiculous amount of time to wait for this bike, but I want it to be perfect. I would love to ride with you guys once it's done--provided the ride is a scenic one and not a 90+ mph romp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Killer_kaw said: @SpecialEd 42 weeks at UTI and you could gain the knowledge to get that bike on the road. Maybe then you and @Tonik could take a weekend trip and consummate that relationship Half the time if he does it online. https://penn-foster.com/diploma/automotive/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwuNbsBRC-ARIsAAzITuf_AsZrZqIt_C4YCvjmwxBpAcBhjOFFKqezKXqApl62qRB9QZ2at04aAjTcEALw_wcB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, SpecialEd said: My God, Jim, I'm amazed that you even remember this project! It was promised to me "this summer," but the builder is still "wrapping it up." Many of the parts are JDM, so there is more time involved sourcing them from overseas: swing arm from G' Craft, fenders, oil cooler, aftermarket speedo/tach, etc. Hoping to get some break-in miles on it before the snow flies. Just sent the builder $3k to cover parts--the first payment I have sent him since the project began in 2016. This is a ridiculous amount of time to wait for this bike, but I want it to be perfect. I would love to ride with you guys once it's done--provided the ride is a scenic one and not a 90+ mph romp. My memory of inane details is weird, happens a lot. Perhaps we can do a fall tour of the closed or soon to be closed U of P locations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Steve Butters said: I did my bachelor's mostly brick and mortar with a little online mixed in. I did my MBA 100% online. The quality of education really is different. My bachelor's degree took way more work than my MBA. I finished my MBA in 18 months taking one class at a time (all my job would pay for) and I pretty much only did school work on Monday and Thursday nights. Unlike @SpecialEd, I didn't really care about the "quality" of education since I didn't need the degree to do my job, I just needed it to check the box on my resume for MBA and make me more eligible to promote past my current level. My program was cheap (free since my employer covered it), quick, and it was fairly easy, though I've always been able to coast through schooling. To each their own, but online education can be good or bad, it's all about what you make of it. In my entire college career I never once read a full chapter in a book, online or at a campus, so I'm not sure there's a ton of dofference. Wow. This discussion could go on and on . . . The debate over rate of return vis-a-vis the cost of college has gone viral. Steve, I TOTALLY get what you're saying--you were able to punch the requirement for an MBA without spending $50,000 doing it. There's a lot of merit in your situation! In my estimation, there are many students who should not even go to college. They will end up making substantially more than I did the first few years of my teaching career oh, and will have spent next to nothing on trade school to get there. Butters, you will learn more on the job than you ever would have in a good school pursuing your MBA as a grad student, but your degree got you "in," and that's worth a hell of a lot. Edited October 3, 2019 by SpecialEd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, Steve Butters said: Who wants to fuck? Where'd the new girl go? That's sick and inappropriate. Luv it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tonik said: My memory of inane details is weird, happens a lot. Perhaps we can do a fall tour of the closed or soon to be closed U of P locations. There would be nobody attending that ride except you and I; and you would likely bail . . . understandably. Edited October 3, 2019 by SpecialEd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Tonik said: I will take that as a no to my question. Follow up question: Do you think a brick and mortar education is factually more valuable, or are you just subconsciously defending the value of your profession? Unfortunately we may have to dismiss your answer as it too may be subconsciously influenced. How many people bribe to get their kids into online colleges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, motocat12 said: How many people bribe to get their kids into online colleges? Answer: none. However, online degrees are often legitimate. Those universities that provide career education are catering to people who are currently employed and need continuing education in order to advance in their career. Just a matter of supply and demand, combined with a course schedule working people can deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, motocat12 said: How many people bribe to get their kids into online colleges? Maybe online educated people are smarter and don't get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Wow. This post when straight to shit. Whats become of this place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durk Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 This is what happens when teachers talk too much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 15 hours ago, SpecialEd said: There would be nobody attending that ride except you and I; and you would likely bail . . . understandably. We could do it online with Google maps and Street View. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialEd Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 46 minutes ago, durk said: This is what happens when teachers talk too much A strong rebuke from a colleague is enough to shut me up. Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashesbuck Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 Where did you take the rider course at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlboro man Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 Welcome to the Shit show where we talk about teaching and not motorcycles. But what the fuck do I know i do Great work with my wood & i live in a van down by the river & ride when i can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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