Dems, Are You Gonna Lose This One?

[ImUrOBGYN]

A good read that feels all to true.

 

"The more I've been thinking about the current presidential race, the more I'm realizing that Obama isn't going to win. Come November, John McCain will win the white house and America will still not learn its lesson.

 

This was our year Dems. After the last 8 years of Bush, we democrats were licking our chops at the chance to retake the white house. The mid-term elections came and we re-took control of congress. America had had enough of this administration and they were exercising their voice. Things were looking great.

 

We're still going to lose, and there's really nothing we can do about it. As long as McCain and Palin are allowed to outright lie and change whatever facts they want, the Democrats can't win.

 

But we're winning you say. Recent polls show that Obama has a few point lead on McCain. That's the problem. How can it only be a few points? I just don't see it.

 

Looking at all the newspaper articles, senate voting records, and candidate speeches, how can this race even be close? It doesn't make sense.

 

McCain is an echo of George Bush - the current president who has a measly 30% approval rating. That explains 30% of McCain's votes, but what about the other 20%? What the hell are these people thinking? Do they want 4 more years of this crap?

 

Palin is a creationist who is against all forms of birth control, yet she's being hailed as a step forward for women. Are you serious? A woman in the white house is great, but her views serve merely to further repress woman's rights. The anti-abortionist Palin said it was her daughter's choice to keep the baby. Bristol gets a choice, but the rest of America shouldn't? Makes sense to me.

 

McCain is pro business and pro Bush. Put some tights on him and he'd be the perfect sidekick. One need only look at his voting record (when he managed to actually vote - McCain missed more senate votes than any other senator) to see that he voted with Bush over 90% of the time.

 

He calls himself a war hero, often touting that he's more experienced to manage the Iraq war. I don't see how he can even mention the Iraq war though, having only voted in 4 of the last 14 senate measures concerning it. How well do you think he'll handle a war that he's too busy campaigning to even vote on?

 

I'm also not too sure about the usage of "hero" here. A "hero" is somebody who saves lives. McCain got shot down and captured. It seems to me that all he did was endanger more lives by failing in his mission. Failure doesn't make you a Hero. It just makes you a veteran like every other soldier. Either way, military service doesn't really matter to me when it comes to being president.

 

What matters to me is technology, business, innovation, and the economy - all of which McCain fails to understand. He's pro patents, pro DRM, anti net neutrality, hates economists, and is in favor of regulating the internet. This is the man who introduced a bill that would require websites to be held criminally responsible for the comments on their sites.

 

This is a man who rallied against the GI bill, voted against social security, and against raising the minimum wage.

 

This is a man who completely changed his position on everything as soon as he was upgraded from senator McCain to candidate McCain. While the senator spoke out against drilling in America, the candidate urges that we do it. The Senator voted against the Bush tax cuts, but the Candidate wants to make them permanent. This is the senator who once responded to a letter I sent him with "We're sorry but Senator McCain doesn't have the time to address the concerns of those outside of his voting district." Senator McCain only cared about Senator McCain, what do you think Candidate McCain's main priority is?

 

You've probably seen the McCain ad where he bashes the bridge to nowhere, bear DNA program, and woodstock museum as "pork barrel spending". Were you also aware that McCain actually voted in favor of the DNA program, and wasn't even present for the votes on the bridge or Woodstock museum? Last time I checked, "doing nothing" didn't count as "taking a stand against wasteful spending."

 

Speaking of spending, if I have to hear Palin talk about putting the state plane on eBay one more time I'm going to start pulling out hair. WHy has this been in every one of her speeches? Sure, she put the plane on eBay, great. But guess what? It wasn't her idea - it was state policy made almost a year before she took office. Furthermore, it didn't sell on eBay. It sold through a broker after sitting on the auction site for 2 months and costing the state over $60,000 in payments on the plane and listing fees. The would have saved that money had they simply gone through a broker in the first place.

 

Sure, she fought against the bridge to nowhere project, but that didn't stop her from requesting $453 million in other earmarks. That's almost $800 per person living in Alaska.

 

That's a lot of lies, but despite all those McCain will still win the election.

 

It has nothing to do with Obama being black, or Muslim (by the way, he's actually Christian.)

 

It has nothing to do with any of that. When Americans go into the polls, they're going to vote based on the lies they've heard on TV - and as long as McCain and Palin are allowed to say whatever they want, people will believe them.

 

Others will vote along the party line like they've been doing since they voted for Eisenhower - having never noticed the changes in the parties since Nixon.

 

Doing the research is more than most Americans can be bothered with.

 

After all, I could spend a few hours researching the actual facts about the election, but then I'd miss tonight's episode of Prison Break on Fox.

 

America didn't learn its lesson the last 4 years, and we're not going to learn it the next four either."

 

HockeyGod via Shoutwire

[TheHaze]

Sounds like a politician wrote that. I don't feel like quoting anything, but that moron seems to confuse the fact that Obama falls in to A LOT of what he's bashing Mccain for. First, he questions Mccain's heroism when being shot down, but leaves out that he could have went home early, but stayed in captivity for 4 more years to let the other pows leave sooner. Enlisting and actually fighting in a war is heroism in itself, let alone what Mccain did. He complains of spending but fails to realize that it's a staple of the demoretard party. This government sucks, and liberals will just fuck with it more.

[OGRE]

A "outright lie and change whatever facts they want"

 

sums up most words that come after it.

 

McCain isn't Bush, the comparison is just something to beat into peoples heads, basic fear mongering. McCain is a fiscal conservitive. Bush isn't.

[Draco-REX]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3266/2863061961_738d2828bf_o.jpg

[iwishiwascool]

He complains of spending but fails to realize that it's a staple of the demoretard party.

 

http://www.slate.com/id/2199810/

 

Don't you just hate actual facts?

[iwishiwascool]

sums up most words that come after it.

 

McCain isn't Bush, the comparison is just something to beat into peoples heads, basic fear mongering. McCain is a fiscal conservitive. Bush isn't.

 

His economic advisor Phil Gramm (Who he assumably relies on heavily as a result of his self admitted novice on the topic) was the one who pushed through the legislation that led to the deregulation of the financial industries. That deregulation is the foundation of the economic downturn we are all complaining about.

 

Bush was a "Fiscal Conservative" too. How well has that worked out for us?

 

The reality that democrats realize and a relatively basic understanding of history and economics shows is that the middle class drives the economy. As the mindless consumer spends and spends the economy flourishes. In downward economic slumps the tax reprievals and incentives provided by the republican legislators to big business and upper income earners are hoarded until the perceived "Bottom" of the slump.

[TheHaze]

http://www.slate.com/id/2199810/

 

Don't you just hate actual facts?

*sigh* You just don't get it. Both parties spend too much. Governments aren't life support machines. The republicans that spend the most I don't consider true conservatives.

[Tractor]

slate.com is a very anti republican web site and should not be quoted as a reliable source of information. Please use wiki:-)

 

Evan

[konig_twinkies]

It doesn't matter really who is the president, the biggest change will come when all parties can work together to actually accomplish something other than their own personal agenda. They are there to serve the good of the people and until they learn to do so nothing will change

[iwishiwascool]

*sigh* You just don't get it. Both parties spend too much. Governments aren't life support machines. The republicans that spend the most I don't consider true conservatives.

 

Clearly if I "got" what you "got" I would so easily be able to define political allegiance based on overly simplified black and white terms of polarity like "life support machines" vs. "social Darwinism activists" or some such non-sense.

 

Do you really think that I lack the realization that federal fiscal responsibility hasn't been a priority since 1971 when Nixon eliminated the fixed gold price? And that it was a relative non-issue long before that?

 

Really?

 

I would wonder who, in your vast 21 years of political observation, would you consider a true fiscal conservative.

 

Next time leave your "*sigh*" and spoon at home when you're heading to a gun fight.

[iwishiwascool]

slate.com is a very anti republican web site and should not be quoted as a reliable source of information. Please use wiki:-)

 

Evan

 

Absolutely true...

 

I liked the article because it catalogs the data in an easy to read format.

 

here is the source data:

 

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/

[LJ]

His economic advisor Phil Gramm (Who he assumably relies on heavily as a result of his self admitted novice on the topic) was the one who pushed through the legislation that led to the deregulation of the financial industries. That deregulation is the foundation of the economic downturn we are all complaining about.

 

 

 

 

Actually the "foundation" would be Greenspan's easy money and asset bubbles with too low of rates for way too long.... that is if you want to get technical

[thorne]

*sigh* You just don't get it. Both parties spend too much. Governments aren't life support machines. The republicans that spend the most I don't consider true conservatives.

 

Were not? It's ok to help out other countries in distress but fuck america? Is that what I just heard you say?

[TheHaze]

Were not? It's ok to help out other countries in distress but fuck america? Is that what I just heard you say?

Holy hell, Thorne. This is why I have no hope for liberals. You can't even understand basic sentences and instead, take them the way you want.

[thorne]

How the fuck am I liberal. Because I think it's stupid to waste money on other countries and then turn around and bitch about spending it on our country. thats pretty liberal I guesse.

 

Because I believe in small goverment?

Because I believe in less spending.

Because I believe in ron paul?

 

I'm not a liberal I just like shooting holes in mccain's bullshit which is basicly bushes bullshit recycled.

 

I took your Life support referance and twisted it for you thats all. I would think as a mccain supporter you would have no problem with me twisting your words to suite my needs.

[AngryBMW]

I would wonder who, in your vast 21 years of political observation, would you consider a true fiscal conservative.

 

And I would like to query who you feel is a true fiscal conservative in your vast 27 years of political observation?

 

I mean come on Ken; you have been able to vote in what, one election that Mike was not able to?

-Marc

 

 

 

 

*fuck...did I just get mikes back?

 

*ken, relax. I'm just curious as to what exactly makes you so much more of an expert than anyone else on this board.

[AngryBMW]

Because I believe in ron paul?

 

If you're such a hardcore Ron Paul supporter why does every post you make in this section make you out to be fully supporting Barrack Osama?

 

Oh, and PLEASE don't respont with quoted text of you saying you are not supporting him. I can read between the lines...

-Marc

[iwishiwascool]

And I would like to query who you feel is a true fiscal conservative in your vast 27 years of political observation?

 

*ken, relax. I'm just curious as to what exactly makes you so much more of an expert than anyone else on this board.

 

Because I am far more open minded and analytical than most.... not to mention smarter

[AngryBMW]

Because I am far more open minded and analytical than most.... not to mention smarter

 

And I have known you long enough to know that would be your answer, and that you would not answer the first part of my question.

 

Again,

 

And I would like to query who you feel is a true fiscal conservative in your vast 27 years of political observation?

 

-Marc

[thorne]

If you're such a hardcore Ron Paul supporter why does every post you make in this section make you out to be fully supporting Barrack Osama?

 

Oh, and PLEASE don't respont with quoted text of you saying you are not supporting him. I can read between the lines...

-Marc

 

I am voting for Obama unless he some how fucks it up between now and elections. I would not vote for fucking mccain if he was the only option. If obama fucks it up I will waste my vote on a liberterian party before I will cast it for bush I mean mccain. Since I can't choose ron paul I choose who I think has a better chance at fixing shit. and since 8years has been given to bush and he failed I'm willing to gamble 4 years obama.

 

His name is Obama not osama and by saying that you make yourself look like a dumb ass redkneck racist piece of shit.

[iwishiwascool]

And I have known you long enough to know that would be your answer, and that you would not answer the first part of my question.

 

Again,

 

 

 

-Marc

 

Dwight D. Eisenhower

[AngryBMW]

I am voting for Obama unless he some how fucks it up between now and elections. I would not vote for fucking mccain if he was the only option. If obama fucks it up I will waste my vote on a liberterian party before I will cast it for bush I mean mccain. Since I can't choose ron paul I choose who I think has a better chance at fixing shit. and since 8years has been given to bush and he failed I'm willing to gamble 4 years obama.

 

His name is Obama not osama and by saying that you perpitrate the reason he will not win. Its racist fucks.

 

I'm sticking with OSAMA because I can; and am smarter than you.

 

You do realize you can write in your vote for Ron Paul correct? See, I can argue like you.

 

Observe:

 

fuck mccain adn hsi stoopid politikal strategires!!!1! I wud rather waste my vote on a libertarian than aktualy vote 4 who I want 2c b prezidant....ron paul.

/end thorne speak

 

Oh, and who are you to tell me a racist? I think voting for Obama is a wasted vote.

-Marc

[AngryBMW]

Oh, and who are you to tell me a racist? I think voting for Obama is a wasted vote.

-Marc

 

And I feel that way not because of his color, but because I dont agree with his 'politiks'.

-Marc

[AngryBMW]

Dwight D. Eisenhower

 

 

Amazing choice and I thank you

-Marc

[RedRocket1647545505]

Thorne,

 

Perhaps you should watch this video on Obama before you continue to post anymore.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I