Akula Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/01/autos/gm_henderson/index.htm?cnn=yes I think they need some progressive minds in there, willing to work and make changes (*cough* unions *cough*). I personally think the Saturn Vue is the best small SUV on the market, I got one for a rental and loved it. I also think that they need to dump the brands that have nothing to offer, like hummer, but they are too slow to get those off the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excell Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Henderson has nothing to regret, he was the right guy at the right time to help GM with a huge weight and bankruptcy. Now he's not the right person anymore - they need a details/focus guy like Mulally was/is for Ford. I always laugh when I think of a comment Wagoner made at the start of the crisis about when Mulally took over at Ford, something to the tune of "he called me for weeks asking for advice" and how a non car-guy in the CEO role is a disaster - who's laughing now Wagoner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Good god. Will GM stock ever be at $10+/share again? I hope they go completely under, and kick the unions the hell out. Maybe then someone can salvage some of their operations, and be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahd-ler Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Cough*(Unions)*Cough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs.cos Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 omg.. have ANY of you who are crying about unions ever actually worked for one, let alone for the big three? Shut up unless you know EXACTLY what the fuck you are talking about. 9 years under my belt as a UAW member, and my ENTIRE family working for GM.. What that company is going thru is not screwed up mainly because of the unions. Get over yourselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I've been in a union once, and never again. UFCW I believe it was. "Hey guys, we got you a raise of $.20 an hour! Too bad we're raising our dues by exactly $8/week. You'll get over it!" Yeah, maybe if the one I was in was an unstoppable juggernaut like the UAW, and they got me $20/hour and good benefits I'd like them too. Why don't they go and pwn toyota, honda, or bmw like they pwned the American companies. That will show them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 omg.. have ANY of you who are crying about unions ever actually worked for one, let alone for the big three? Shut up unless you know EXACTLY what the fuck you are talking about. 9 years under my belt as a UAW member, and my ENTIRE family working for GM.. What that company is going thru is not screwed up mainly because of the unions. Get over yourselves. $25+ per hour to put bolt A in hole B? Yes, fuck unions. No wonder the big 3 are in trouble and cant get off the ground. $1500 from every new vehicle goes to pay healthcare and pension for retirees. When they get in this type debt, from these types of organizations, thats when you get everyone screaming to disband them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akula Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 omg.. have ANY of you who are crying about unions ever actually worked for one, let alone for the big three? Shut up unless you know EXACTLY what the fuck you are talking about. 9 years under my belt as a UAW member, and my ENTIRE family working for GM.. What that company is going thru is not screwed up mainly because of the unions. Get over yourselves. I guess I am going on anecdotal evidence that the cost per vehicle is more expensive in a union shop vs a non-union one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Everything else being equal, yes. The unions typically will look out for the employee/ union bosses at the expense of the corporation and consumer. I think that's generally the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 Speed S4 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I remember my neighbor getting stuck in 6" of snow in her awd saturn vue.. couldn't even get out of her parking spot. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossle Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 $25+ per hour to put bolt A in hole B? Yes, fuck unions. No wonder the big 3 are in trouble and cant get off the ground. $1500 from every new vehicle goes to pay healthcare and pension for retirees. When they get in this type debt, from these types of organizations, thats when you get everyone screaming to disband them. Like Rick Wagoner's 74K per year year until he dies and his 8.2 million dollar payout for leaving. Must be nice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I personally think the Saturn Vue is the best small SUV on the market, I got one for a rental and loved it. Lol, you're kidding.. right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIEF Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 omg.. have ANY of you who are crying about unions ever actually worked for one, let alone for the big three? Shut up unless you know EXACTLY what the fuck you are talking about. The sentence after the big space here (hell the EXACTLY part too), is funny to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 omg.. have ANY of you who are crying about unions ever actually worked for one, let alone for the big three? Shut up unless you know EXACTLY what the fuck you are talking about. 9 years under my belt as a UAW member, and my ENTIRE family working for GM.. What that company is going thru is not screwed up mainly because of the unions. Get over yourselves. you don't know what your talking about either then. there is no reason a line worker should be making $28/hr. they are not skilled labor. even honda doesn't pay that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDHG940 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I believe their main problem is they don't many products that people want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin R. Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Good god. Will GM stock ever be at $10+/share again? I hope they go completely under, and kick the unions the hell out. Maybe then someone can salvage some of their operations, and be successful. GM stock doesn't exist any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli1647545497 Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Shit Chuckin Apes on assembly lines making too much money AND GM making shitty vehicles (not coincidentally assembled by aforementioned apes) are what drove GM to the ground. Oddly enough, Honda and Toyota pay their employees more, and yet it costs them less, ANNNDDD theire cars are higher quality! (Not conincidentally by NOT being assembled by aforementioned Shit Chuckin Apes) So yeah, in a big part, it is the union's fault. Get over yourself. Go find a job that pays what you're worth. Like 1/4th what a UAW wage nets. ----------------- Back on topic: godspeed Henderson. Now, bring in the outsider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotCarl Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 $1500 from every new vehicle goes to pay healthcare and pension for retirees. Im almost POSITIVE i read it was alot more than this. As in 2,000$ plus of every new car goes directly to healthcare and pension for retirees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Like Rick Wagoner's 74K per year year until he dies and his 8.2 million dollar payout for leaving. Must be nice.... Yes, saddly severance pay and golden parachutes are the way of the corporate world. As a business you might as well just write it down as a fixed expense, because it happens. Unions, however, are not a part of every corporation, and can be easily remedied... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paktinat Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/70000/5000/400/75449/75449.strip.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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