What's your thoughts on Pres. Obama speech to students?

[Todd#43]

What's not the same. Obama is releasing the speech tomorrow for all you "concerned parents" to read.

He's going to release the speech Monday. Previously, the speech wasn't going to be released. Do you really think that it would have been released if "concerned parents" didn't raise a stink?

I can't find if Reagan even did that - and if he did, how many people had access to the 'net in 1988 to pre-read it (or that it was published in the news in the paper or on TV the night before)? So, I'm calling bullshit on that - he did it live on CSPAN along with a rebroadcast later.

You can't find any documentation to back up your opinion, so you're calling bullshit? Jesus-titty-fucking-christ. Who the fuck are you? The be-all, end-all of internet research? Hey everyone - JRMMiii can't find it on one of his left wing blog sites or in the MSM it must not be fucking real. Gimme a break.

So again, point out the differences? If anything the 'concerned parents' on the democrat side didn't get the pre-prep their kids to plug their ears when the bad actor/president came on the TV... and I highly doubt most of the democratic parents would do that. They'd do what Aerik said, have their kids listen to an opposing viewpoint and have a discussion about it.

The GOP is like the Vancome Lady @ 2:21 -- "ah la la la la la"

(In fact, she kinda reminds me of Palin)

The differences are still there. When slightly similar situations happened with Republican presidents the Democrats had a stroke (Dick Gepheart during Bush I), so dont tell me it didn't happen.

I also don't remember Reagan, or either of the Bushes having a communist or terrorist advisor. I don't remember any Republican firing the CEO of a Company. I don't remember a Republican taking over a company and giving half of it to a union, and I don't remember a Republican flying the flag of a communist country over the white house.

In the end, if I want my kids to hear what Barack Hussein Obama has to say, its MY decision to allow it, or disallow it. Much the same as with an R rated movie or an M rated video game - MY decision. Not your's, not the school's, and not the NEA. Personally if my son or daughter want to hear it I have no problem letting them hear it - with me present to act as a buffer and give them the answers to any questions they may have.

[fusion]

Sorry you're so confused.

I'll type real slow - try to keep up.

Thanks you're super.

Your first statement has NO BASIS IN FACT. Its your OPINION.

Ummm ok feel free to state an opposing opinion...which I'm sure will be filled with lots of fantastic fact supported by sources for your information.

You offer your opinion like its gospel, then disparage another for offering his opinion.

No I didn't I merely stated that as an opinion and I didn't disparage another for stating their's. You might want to go back and read that string of messages. He made a statement about what Obama has done and is doing to this nation and that is what is being referred to in the Whargarbl comment and he then clarified.

So, if opinions dont matter, please provide some supporting facts that say because someone doesnt want their child listening to a speech of unknown content from a guy they already know plenty about they are a bad parent, or that they need to re-evaluate their parenting skills?

I didn't say opinions don't matter. You're putting words in my mouth and you're mixing two entirely different conversations of which (I described earlier) you missed the point of altogether.

I find it funny that you phrase it as a "speech of unknown content from a guy"... You realize you're talking about the President of the United States right? Not some random guy off the streets.

Bush (Clinton, Bush, Reagan, ....) could have wanted to do the same thing, phrase the material delivered exactly the same way and not delivered the speech before hand and I would have not had a problem with it. Technology has driven the need of people to "need" to know everything so quickly.

My job as a parent is to talk to my child about the speech, letting them know how I feel about the content of the speech with out drawing in all sorts of unrelated crud. From there we discuss it, I answer any of their questions and let them for and develop their own opinions based on that.

If you're opinion is OMG he's a filthy socialist bent on destroying America no way am I letting my children listen to the President, but the content of his speech is only stay in school, do well, strive to better, learn civics and the duties of citizens surrounding them... then well you should really take a hard look at yourself as a parent.

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He's going to release the speech Monday. Previously, the speech wasn't going to be released. Do you really think that it would have been released if "concerned parents" didn't raise a stink?

My mistake, I meant Monday, but since I took yesterday off, today feels like Sunday.

You can't find any documentation to back up your opinion, so you're calling bullshit? Jesus-titty-fucking-christ. Who the fuck are you? The be-all, end-all of internet research? Hey everyone - JRMMiii can't find it on one of his left wing blog sites or in the MSM it must not be fucking real. Gimme a break.

Yea, because I have my google filter set to "Only find sites that backup your opinions".

No, I was looking for things that support YOUR opinion since you say all these things with no factual basis - and I'm not going to call you out on it until I can confirm it or refute it. Since I can't find that Reagan's speech was pre-released, unless you can find supporting documentation otherwise, it's BS that these situations are much different as you're stating they are.

The differences are still there. When slightly similar situations happened with Republican presidents the Democrats had a stroke (Dick Gepheart during Bush I), so dont tell me it didn't happen.

Different context... he was bitching about the costs (ya know, against the fiscally responsible "No New Taxes" party). He said nothing about NOT LISTENING TO IT, just that it was expensive and should be used to promote education and smarter children. How can you not understand the difference.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/03/flashback-1991-gephardt-called-bushs-speech-students-paid-political-a

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.' "Two House committees demanded that the department explain the use of its funds for the speech, an explanation that Deputy Secretary David T. Kearns provided late in the day in a letter to Rep. William D. Ford (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was out of town. [...]Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.), chairwoman of the Select Committee on Children, Youth and Families, said it was outrageous for the White House to "start using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education programs.

Rep. Martin Frost (D-Tex.) said that if Bush feels obliged to use government funds to hire outside consultants "to make him look good," then he should fire some of the public relations experts on the White House payroll. "Then the president might be more sympathetic to unemployment benefits," Frost said, referring to Bush's threat to veto legislation to extend benefits.

I also don't remember Reagan, or either of the Bushes having a communist or terrorist advisor. I don't remember any Republican firing the CEO of a Company. I don't remember a Republican taking over a company and giving half of it to a union, and I don't remember a Republican flying the flag of a communist country over the white house.

9/11 (Isn't that the blanket answer the last admin used to justify everything?)

Bush didn't have his hands involved in firing attorneys for political reasons, eh? Grossly distorting the legal processes? Got it, Obama is the devil for asking the leader of a company to step down. Got it.

In the end, if I want my kids to hear what Barack Hussein Obama has to say, its MY decision to allow it, or disallow it. Much the same as with an R rated movie or an M rated video game - MY decision. Not your's, not the school's, and not the NEA. Personally if my son or daughter want to hear it I have no problem letting them hear it - with me present to act as a buffer and give them the answers to any questions they may have.

That's fine. It is YOUR decision. But it's awful hypocritical to brainwash your kids when you complain about others brainwashing them. If you raised them right they'd have their own critical thinking and problem solving skills to figure out their own ideologies and not blindly follow mommy and daddy's (or anyone elses). Must be scared to train them to see through the bullshit because they might see through yours.

Edited September 5, 2009 by JRMMiii

[Todd#43]

I find it funny that you phrase it as a "speech of unknown content from a guy"... You realize you're talking about the President of the United States right? Not some random guy off the streets.

Yes, I realize that he's the president of the United States. I also realize that he has surrounded himself with people of questionable character and intent. That fact alone makes me wary of any "message" he might have for school aged children.

My job as a parent is to talk to my child about the speech, letting them know how I feel about the content of the speech with out drawing in all sorts of unrelated crud. From there we discuss it, I answer any of their questions and let them for and develop their own opinions based on that.

Ok, we see our job as parents differently. Does that make me wrong, and you right? If you're raising your kids catholic, and I'm raising my kids as jewish does that make either one of us wrong? No, as parents its OUR responsibility to raise our children as we see fit. If you want your kids to hear the speech in school, cool. I have no problem with your choice.

If you're opinion is OMG he's a filthy socialist bent on destroying America no way am I letting my children listen to the President, but the content of his speech is only stay in school, do well, strive to better, learn civics and the duties of citizens surrounding them... then well you should really take a hard look at yourself as a parent.

Again, for reasons I've already mentioned I do believe that he is at worst a communist and at best really a democrat with socialist tendencies. I can't comment as to the content of the planned speech because, well, we don't know what it is. Until all the screaming began there was no plan to release the text prior to the speech. IF (and my oinion is its a mighty big IF) the message is "stay in school, do well, make something of yourself" I have no problem with it on a personal level.

My mistake, I meant Monday, but since I took yesterday off, today feels like Sunday.

Way to avoid the question.

Yea, because I have my google filter set to "Only find sites that backup your opinions".

No, I was looking for things that support YOUR opinion since you say all these things with no factual basis - and I'm not going to call you out on it until I can confirm it or refute it. Since I can't find that Reagan's speech was pre-released, unless you can find supporting documentation otherwise, it's BS that these situations are much different as you're stating they are.

Well, that settles it. You didn't find it, it must be bullshit

9/11 (Isn't that the blanket answer the last admin used to justify everything?)/

Huh? What does that have to do with anything?

Bush didn't have his hands involved in firing attorneys for political reasons, eh? Grossly distorting the legal processes? Got it, Obama is the devil for asking the leader of a company to step down. Got it.

Ok, so Bush fired some attorneys. What does that have to do with the government takeover of a company? What does that have to do with an avowed communist being an advisor to the sitting president? What does that have to do with flying the PRC flag over the white house?

That's fine. It is YOUR decision. But it's awful hypocritical to brainwash your kids when you complain about others brainwashing them. If you raised them right they'd have their own critical thinking and problem solving skills to figure out their own ideologies and not blindly follow mommy and daddy's (or anyone elses). Must be scared to train them to see through the bullshit because they might see through yours.

That's right my decision. My kids are MY responsibility. My kids are only 14 and 12, and I'm no where near DONE raising them. Like all kids that age they have a LOT to learn, and as a parent I will instill my values into them. Thats my job.

In time, I'm sure they will form their own opinions about a wide variety of subjects. Some will match mine, some wont. That's the way it goes.

Why do you care anyway? Is it because you're afraid they'll grow up and and see through the bullshit offered by people like you?

[fusion]

Yes, I realize that he's the president of the United States. I also realize that he has surrounded himself with people of questionable character and intent. That fact alone makes me wary of any "message" he might have for school aged children.

That might be a little paranoid. Name one person that you can't say that about. I bet that I can form the opinion of ANYONE that says they have questionable character and intent based on any number of things. It doesn't take much if you're reaching. You might as well say no President ever should be allowed to speak to the children of America using that argument.

Ok, we see our job as parents differently. Does that make me wrong, and you right? If you're raising your kids catholic, and I'm raising my kids as jewish does that make either one of us wrong? No, as parents its OUR responsibility to raise our children as we see fit. If you want your kids to hear the speech in school, cool. I have no problem with your choice.

You're right and it is your choice. If you want to raise your children to be paranoid and hate, that's fine, you're right. (just so we're clear I'm not stating that's what you're doing, just a more extreme example) You're children are yours to raise as you see fit, but we have different opinions obviously on what we consider responsible. I educate and communicate with my kids, I don't hide their eyes constantly and make them afraid of the boogey man.

Again, for reasons I've already mentioned I do believe that he is at worst a communist and at best really a democrat with socialist tendencies. I can't comment as to the content of the planned speech because, well, we don't know what it is. Until all the screaming began there was no plan to release the text prior to the speech. IF (and my oinion is its a mighty big IF) the message is "stay in school, do well, make something of yourself" I have no problem with it on a personal level.

I'm not a big fan of Obama for any number of reasons, but calling him a communist is a huge stretch and stating he has socialist tendencies I find an odd complaint. Society can't be successful without at least some socialist tendencies.

I'm not sure why they would plan to release it to everyone to begin with and I'm not sure why it would be an IF of what the message is. I find it incredibly amusing how the opposition to the President wants to spin everything he does and seems to want to micromanage every damn event. The message has always been stated that it's going to be a stay in school and do well type message.

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Well, that settles it. You didn't find it, it must be bullshit

It is bullshit unless you can prove it otherwise. Kind of like how people used to believe the sun revolved around us and we were at the center of the universe, until Galileo proved that was bullshit.

Ok, so Bush fired some attorneys. What does that have to do with the government takeover of a company? What does that have to do with an avowed communist being an advisor to the sitting president? What does that have to do with flying the PRC flag over the white house?

Who has more political power... some leader of a private company, or a federal attorney?

Van Jones...I'd have multiple viewpoints advising me as well (just to have a well rounded perspective). He does have quite the background and experience for the position he's filling. But, bottom line, this finger-pointing can go on in each administration... and his views on economic theory have how much bearing on his position as the environmental quality adviser? About as much as a garbage collector's job is affected by him being a Christian.

Why do you care anyway? Is it because you're afraid they'll grow up and and see through the bullshit offered by people like you?

Yea, I'm trembling just thinking about it. It just means that I have to pop out 2 kids to counterbalance yours to make sure the world doesn't continue in the direction it's been going since Bush II got in office. You better keep them out of college too, those places can get awful liberal. Or maybe you can refuse to send them to a college that doesn't have a strong Young Republicans chapter for them to join?

[Todd#43]

That might be a little paranoid. Name one person that you can't say that about. I bet that I can form the opinion of ANYONE that says they have questionable character and intent based on any number of things. It doesn't take much if you're reaching. You might as well say no President ever should be allowed to speak to the children of America using that argument.

I don't think its paranoid at all. Whether you like it or not, on some level you ARE judged by the company you keep. I know several people that I have NO DOUBT about their character (good as well as bad) based on their actions and the people they surround themselves with.

You're right and it is your choice. If you want to raise your children to be paranoid and hate, that's fine, you're right. (just so we're clear I'm not stating that's what you're doing, just a more extreme example) You're children are yours to raise as you see fit, but we have different opinions obviously on what we consider responsible. I educate and communicate with my kids, I don't hide their eyes constantly and make them afraid of the boogey man.

I never once said that I hide my kids from anything. That said, there are some things that I want them to see, hear, and experience WITH me as opposed to a teacher or someone else. Political discussions happen on a nearly daily basis around our dinner table. This happens no matter who the president is. Sometimes they agree with me, sometimes they dont. Most of the time both sides of the coin are presented.

I'm not a big fan of Obama for any number of reasons, but calling him a communist is a huge stretch and stating he has socialist tendencies I find an odd complaint. Society can't be successful without at least some socialist tendencies.

Again, we're dealing with opinions here. I am no fan of Obama's. I cant point to one thing that he's done as president that would change my mind. Maybe that will change, but I have serious doubts about that.

His push for bigger government, the public option in health care, taking over a company ARE socialist moves. What do you see those as?

I'm not sure why they would plan to release it to everyone to begin with and I'm not sure why it would be an IF of what the message is. I find it incredibly amusing how the opposition to the President wants to spin everything he does and seems to want to micromanage every damn event. The message has always been stated that it's going to be a stay in school and do well type message.

If you don't want to know "what" is being said to your kids, and would rather deal with it after the fact that's your business. Personally, I'd rather know before hand. From my point of view it makes the inevitable questions easier to deal with.

As far as spin goes, did you find it incredibly amusing when the left-leaning media tried to "spin" everything Bush or Cheney did? Did you chuckle when the media tried to micromanage everything that administration did?

Based on the pre-released "lesson plan", I really don't know how you got the idea that it was a stay in school, do well kind of message. I know I certainly didn't.

[Todd#43]

It is bullshit unless...

When you can answer the question that I asked, I'll be happy to bang out the conservative response to your marxist rant.

Until then, I'd rather discuss this topic with someone that has more sense than my dining room table.

[socaln8tv]

i hate politics as much as i hate religion. talking about it with others gets no where. so why bother.

+1 on arguing religion. institutions of many, collected, interpreted, organized and always compiled by mans need to promote man, mostly at the expense of keeping women down...there's always an agenda, and no good has come forth where the bad hasn't equally following, creating a zero sum.

[fusion]

If you don't want to know "what" is being said to your kids, and would rather deal with it after the fact that's your business. Personally, I'd rather know before hand. From my point of view it makes the inevitable questions easier to deal with.

As far as spin goes, did you find it incredibly amusing when the left-leaning media tried to "spin" everything Bush or Cheney did? Did you chuckle when the media tried to micromanage everything that administration did?

Based on the pre-released "lesson plan", I really don't know how you got the idea that it was a stay in school, do well kind of message. I know I certainly didn't.

I think we understand where each other come from, agree or not, so I'll comment on this last part.

I never said I wouldn't like to know before hand, but there is a huge difference between the president speaking to my kids and say my kids being taken to some function. You don't get a full transcript of all of your kids' classes for school do you?

Feel free to provide examples of "left wing media spin" or them micromanaging Bush and Cheney and I'll address those. At least you seem to be admitting it's happening to Obama while trying to say b-b-b-but the evil mainstream media did it too...

This is almost exactly what I read from the get go...

"During this special address, the president will speak directly to the nation's children and youth about persisting and succeeding in school. The president will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning."

[Todd#43]

I think we understand where each other come from, agree or not, so I'll comment on this last part.

Absolutely - we deal with things as they relate to our children differently. No big deal. That "difference" doesn't make either one of us bad parents, nor should cause either one of us to "re-evalute" our parenting skills.

I never said I wouldn't like to know before hand, but there is a huge difference between the president speaking to my kids and say my kids being taken to some function. You don't get a full transcript of all of your kids' classes for school do you?

Yeah, there's a slight difference, but not much. Morals, values and ideals - political and social are best taught in the home. Although kids get some of that stuff from school that's not why I send them there. No, I don't get a full transcript, but I do know what they're being taught, and by whom. I'm active in what goes on in the school, because I feel that's my responsibility as a parent. If there were something in the curriculum that I didnt like you bet your ass I'd speak up about it. Do you people really think I'm only like that on here??

Feel free to provide examples of "left wing media spin" or them micromanaging Bush and Cheney and I'll address those. At least you seem to be admitting it's happening to Obama while trying to say b-b-b-but the evil mainstream media did it too...

News isn't news anymore. Its all op-ed bullshit designed by the "media" to sell advertising. You have to filter through a lot of shit to get to the facts. If you're diligent, at the end of the day you can toss out the chaff and pick up the wheat. You certainly cant take anything at face value.

I'm not going to get into all the spin that occurred during the last administration. You can pretty much look at anything JRMiii has had to say about it and go from there.

This is almost exactly what I read from the get go...

"During this special address, the president will speak directly to the nation's children and youth about persisting and succeeding in school. The president will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning."

As far as that goes this is what I first read about the "speech"

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/01/obamas-sept-8-speech-to-schoolchildren/

After seeing this, I dug around a little more and couldnt really find anything that made me "feel good" about this opportunity. Again, if it turns out that the speech will actually be your typical "stay in school" etc., etc I have no problem with it, but I dont really need it to take away from real classroom time. My kid already knows that.

[jporter12]

+1 on arguing religion. institutions of many, collected, interpreted, organized and always compiled by mans need to promote man, mostly at the expense of keeping women down...there's always an agenda, and no good has come forth where the bad hasn't equally following, creating a zero sum.

I'm glad I go to a different kind of church, compared to what you describe! It boils down to Love God, and love your neighbor.

[jporter12]

I've read this entire thread, almost word for word, and I no longer have the disgust that I felt initially about Obama addressing school children. Basically, if parents are actively participating in being parents, not just caretakers, feeding, and clothing thier kids, there should be absolutely no problem with anything that is said in his speech. I do think he should keep it to the stay in school, why it is important to do so, etc...

Last thing is about how Obama is being scrutinized on everything. Let me what you think on this. I think it all goes back to G.W. Bush. People had such a hatred of him, and all that he did, that people are now overly cautious now that things have gone to the other side. That, combined with neither candidate in the past presidential election being such weak candidates, people have become scared of what is coming out of the White House.

[fusion]

Absolutely - we deal with things as they relate to our children differently. No big deal. That "difference" doesn't make either one of us bad parents, nor should cause either one of us to "re-evalute" our parenting skills.

Definitely agree.

Yeah, there's a slight difference, but not much. Morals, values and ideals - political and social are best taught in the home. Although kids get some of that stuff from school that's not why I send them there. No, I don't get a full transcript, but I do know what they're being taught, and by whom. I'm active in what goes on in the school, because I feel that's my responsibility as a parent. If there were something in the curriculum that I didnt like you bet your ass I'd speak up about it. Do you people really think I'm only like that on here??

I don't doubt you aren't. I'm the same way. I don't hesitate for a second to say something when it comes to my kids.

News isn't news anymore. Its all op-ed bullshit designed by the "media" to sell advertising. You have to filter through a lot of shit to get to the facts. If you're diligent, at the end of the day you can toss out the chaff and pick up the wheat. You certainly cant take anything at face value.

I can agree with that for the most part. The news is almost painful to watch on any channel any more. There's no right or left about it, but I definitely think some are better at it then others and saying liberal media or main stream media is being a bit disingenuousness.

I'm not going to get into all the spin that occurred during the last administration. You can pretty much look at anything JRMiii has had to say about it and go from there.

Ah come on. I don't always agree with Justin on some things, but one of things you have to give him is that for the most part he likes to back up his stuff with some decent sources.

As far as that goes this is what I first read about the "speech"

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/01/obamas-sept-8-speech-to-schoolchildren/

After seeing this, I dug around a little more and couldnt really find anything that made me "feel good" about this opportunity. Again, if it turns out that the speech will actually be your typical "stay in school" etc., etc I have no problem with it, but I dont really need it to take away from real classroom time. My kid already knows that.

Michelle Malkin really? You complained about the liberal media and your source is a right wing shrill? Come on man...

Edited September 6, 2009 by fusion

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[Todd#43]

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002101/

Thank you Comrade.

The party is pleased by your loyalty.

Can you get any further left than Kos???

[chevysoldier]

Thank you Comrade.

The party is pleased by your loyalty.

Can you get any further left than Kos???

uh-oh....Ball's in JRMii's court now...

Edited September 6, 2009 by chevysoldier

[Todd#43]

Ah come on. I don't always agree with Justin on some things, but one of things you have to give him is that for the most part he likes to back up his stuff with some decent sources.

Michelle Malkin really? You complained about the liberal media and your source is a right wing shrill? Come on man...

If you're referring to him citing KOS and other leftwing blog sites as "Decent Sources" you're out of your mind.

If you were paying attention, I said that was the FIRST thing I saw regarding the "speech". Nothing I saw in the "mainstream media" that changed my mind about it.

Oh yeah...the word you're looking for is SHILL, not shrill.

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If michellemalkin.com is fair game, then Kos is fair as well.

Not only that... it's just a clip, doesn't matter where it's posted. You want me to find the same video on another "less Kos" site?

You know damn well that most of the sources I cite, I attempt to make them unbiased. Kos is obviously biased, but it's not commentary, it's the the hosting of a clip.

Edited September 6, 2009 by JRMMiii

[Todd#43]

If michellemalkin.com is fair game, then Kos is fair as well.

Not only that... it's just a clip, doesn't matter where it's posted. You want me to find the same video on another "less Kos" site?

You know damn well that most of the sources I cite, I attempt to make them unbiased. Kos is obviously biased, but it's not commentary, it's the the hosting of a clip.

And the meat of what was posted on Michelle Malkin's site was quoted from other sites as well. Skip the opinion part if you dont like it.

How did the kool-aid taste? Do you have to drink it every day, or is it a one time thing?

[fusion]

If you're referring to him citing KOS and other leftwing blog sites as "Decent Sources" you're out of your mind.

If you were paying attention, I said that was the FIRST thing I saw regarding the "speech". Nothing I saw in the "mainstream media" that changed my mind about it.

Oh yeah...the word you're looking for is SHILL, not shrill.

Nope first I typed shill and then considering the source I decided shrill was more fitting. Sorry probably a poor attempt at a play on such close words.

[InyaAzz]

Have we really come down to this bullshit? People..just be honest. You don't like Obama, so anything you can rally against, you'll do it. Especially if it comes to the 'kids'. If Obama said I will give your kids free lunch in school, you'll say he's trying to buy votes. It really doesn't matter WHAT the CONTENT of the speech is. NONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT'S in THE DAMN SPEECH anyways!! You're automatically against it. No one had an issue with Bush...Reagan doing the same thing. I'm sure someone will pull the 'He's not even an American' card. Even though the 'brith cert' thing was already proven false...folks will still try to find SOMETHING to cling on to. If you're gonna fault Obama, find something that he is truly fucking up. Don't try to ass rape him over talking to your kids in school about being the best they can be and helping their country. If Obama is telling these kids to sign up for the Socialist/Communist movement like people think, I'll eat my words. Somehow, I DOUBT it. He's the fucking President, whether some of you like it or not. And whether some of you believe it or not, he doesn't want our school children to FAIL.

Get a fucking grip people.

Sorry..my leash is short.

[chevysoldier]

Have we really come down to this bullshit? People..just be honest. You don't like Obama, so anything you can rally against, you'll do it. Especially if it comes to the 'kids'. If Obama said I will give your kids free lunch in school, you'll say he's trying to buy votes. It really doesn't matter WHAT the CONTENT of the speech is. NONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT'S in THE DAMN SPEECH anyways!! You're automatically against it. No one had an issue with Bush...Reagan doing the same thing. I'm sure someone will pull the 'He's not even an American' card. Even though the 'brith cert' thing was already proven false...folks will still try to find SOMETHING to cling on to. If you're gonna fault Obama, find something that he is truly fucking up. Don't try to ass rape him over talking to your kids in school about being the best they can be and helping their country. If Obama is telling these kids to sign up for the Socialist/Communist movement like people think, I'll eat my words. Somehow, I DOUBT it. He's the fucking President, whether some of you like it or not. And whether some of you believe it or not, he doesn't want our school children to FAIL.

Get a fucking grip people.

Sorry..my leash is short.

You make a valid point, some people just dont like him so they will find anything to make him sound unfit to be the president. BUT, it goes the other way too. How many people voted for him because he was black/mixed(reverse racism?)? Or he promised change(not what change) Or he said he would set a definite timeframe for Iraq(whether the job was finished or not).

[Todd#43]

Have we really come down to this bullshit? People..just be honest. You don't like Obama, so anything you can rally against, you'll do it. Especially if it comes to the 'kids'. If Obama said I will give your kids free lunch in school, you'll say he's trying to buy votes.

If I don't like his policies, or the people that surround him, that means I dont like him - as a person? Seriously? I don't know the man - he may be a great guy, but what he's doing to the country is WRONG.

It really doesn't matter WHAT the CONTENT of the speech is. NONE OF YOU KNOW WHAT'S in THE DAMN SPEECH anyways!! You're automatically against it. No one had an issue with Bush...Reagan doing the same thing. I'm sure someone will pull the 'He's not even an American' card. Even though the 'brith cert' thing was already proven false...folks will still try to find SOMETHING to cling on to.

That's the problem - no one knows what the speech is about. We've already shown that the Reagan and Bush situations were different and that plenty of people had problems with them.

The birth certificate thing? Yeah, I've seen it. It really looks like one from the 60's - its even all computerized and stuff

If you're gonna fault Obama, find something that he is truly fucking up. Don't try to ass rape him over talking to your kids in school about being the best they can be and helping their country. If Obama is telling these kids to sign up for the Socialist/Communist movement like people think, I'll eat my words. Somehow, I DOUBT it. He's the fucking President, whether some of you like it or not. And whether some of you believe it or not, he doesn't want our school children to FAIL.

Lets see...firing the CEO of a company, then taking over that company and giving half of it to the unions, a self avowed communist and radical as a top adviser, single payer private option for health care...that ought to cover the things that he's "truly fucking up" and definitely shows a socialist/marxist/maoist tendency that the gov't knows whats best.

Get a fucking grip people.

Sorry..my leash is short.

I think I have a pretty good grip - and your leash ought to be a little bit shorter.

[Todd#43]

You make a valid point, some people just dont like him so they will find anything to make him sound unfit to be the president.

So, are you saying that because people don't like his policies we should just STFU and let it go because he managed to get elected?

Seriously, part of what makes this country the best place on earth to live is the fact that we don't have to agree with every person that makes it to the highest office. We are free to make our opposition known and fight for what we believe is right. Try that in China, North Korea, or Cuba - let me know how it works out for ya.

BUT, it goes the other way too. How many people voted for him because he was black/mixed(reverse racism?)? Or he promised change(not what change) Or he said he would set a definite timeframe for Iraq(whether the job was finished or not).

Racism is racism - it doesn't have a "reverse gear". It is what it is. Obama promised "change" and we're getting it - change for the sake of change isn't always good. Oh, and that Iraq, Afghanistan thing - don't worry about that he'll get to it sooner or later Question though - where's Cindy Sheehan now?