Casinos in Ohio - Issue 3 - How are you voting?

[Casper]

I'm voting yes.

[FocusDave01]

def yes here...

[Disclaimer]

A word or two on why (yes or no) would be helpful for the uninformed....

[Pedro]

I'm voting for hookers and blow. This is Pedro and I approved this message.

[kreator]

Yes, because the casino will be next to my work and they might offer free drinks!

[siggywiggy]

i voted for it last year and will again. it will only help the local economy

[FocusDave01]

yeah i feel it will help economy out here in ohio with jobs and what not...and it would be nice to not have to travel out of cbus to go to a casino...

[redkow97]

i'm leaning toward yes for a few reasons:

- i have yet to see any compelling evidence that casinos attract or promote all the crime and negative elements the opposition claims (yes, crime goes up - that happens when there are simply more people in an area)

- I don't believe the 'loophole' claims about cash-gambling being tax-free. 95% of casino games are chip or token driven. If they can get away without taxing slots, I don't really care...

- the tax revenue should be a welcome addition to the state budget, even if it's not as high as the supporters project

- 34,000 jobs is a good thing. What I would like to see is a breakdown of how many of those jobs are tied up in the construction of casinos, and how many of them are waged, how many are salaried, and at what approximate dollar amount. if it's 34,000 jobs, 80% of which are the 2-4 year construction of casinos... not such a fan. if it's 34,000 long-term job positions, for the life of the casino, i'm intrigued. if it's 34,000 jobs for hte life of the casino, but they're all making $7/hour without benefits or sick time, i'll drive to Windsor to gamble...

[RVTPilot]

Hell yes. Everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. There is a ton of taxable revenue that is lost each year over our borders or potential income that won't be realized until this happens.

[jj1]

I hate to say it but at this point I think I am going w/ NO.

Reason being, if you look at the orginal TAX amount that the race track are going to have to pay for SLOTS!! it was like 50%

The Casions are only having to pay 32%.... I dont see how that is fair to change that... if it is bout incoming revenue then why would you chage the casinos less? Most states chage 50-75%... why is the state offering it up so CHEAP if that want to make money?????

I do agree that it would be beneficial and bring in Jobs and money..... but the diffrence in the tax rates bothers me...

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090917/EDIT03/909200314

[Casper]

I hate to say it but at this point I think I am going w/ NO.

Reason being, if you look at the orginal TAX amount that the race track are going to have to pay for SLOTS!! it was like 50%

The Casions are only having to pay 32%.... I dont see how that is fair to change that... if it is bout incoming revenue then why would you chage the casinos less? Most states chage 50-75%... why is the state offering it up so CHEAP if that want to make money?????

I do agree that it would be beneficial and bring in Jobs and money..... but the diffrence in the tax rates bothers me...

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090917/EDIT03/909200314

You realize slots at the tracks and this casino issue are completely separate, right? Taxes weren't changed. They're unrelated. The slots at tracks was the governors own deal.

[Casper]

I hate to say it but at this point I think I am going w/ NO.

Reason being, if you look at the orginal TAX amount that the race track are going to have to pay for SLOTS!! it was like 50%

The Casions are only having to pay 32%.... I dont see how that is fair to change that... if it is bout incoming revenue then why would you chage the casinos less? Most states chage 50-75%... why is the state offering it up so CHEAP if that want to make money?????

I do agree that it would be beneficial and bring in Jobs and money..... but the diffrence in the tax rates bothers me...

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090917/EDIT03/909200314

Oh, and of course Cincinnati is against it. They have three huge river boat casinos that bring tourism and $$$$$.

[jj1]

You realize slots at the tracks and this casino issue are completely separate, right? Taxes weren't changed. They're unrelated. The slots at tracks was the governors own deal.

yes... but again... why is it that the state is charging the LOWEST precentage out of all states? And was on par for the slots. I guess I was unclear when I said changed.. I should have said DIffrent!!

[fusion]

yes... but again... why is it that the state is charging the LOWEST precentage out of all states? And was on par for the slots. I guess I was unclear when I said changed.. I should have said DIffrent!!

You're right nothing is clearly better something and everybody loves paying higher taxes.

[Kosmo]

I'm voting for hookers and blow. This is Pedro and I approved this message.

+1

[redkow97]

what about the claim that there's some 'loophole' that allows out-of-state casino owners to not pay taxes on cash betting? wouldn't most slots qualify?

not trying to argue a point - legitimately askign the question.

[Casper]

yes... but again... why is it that the state is charging the LOWEST precentage out of all states? And was on par for the slots. I guess I was unclear when I said changed.. I should have said DIffrent!!

Why does the state give tax abatements to businesses who move to Ohio?

[Casper]

what about the claim that there's some 'loophole' that allows out-of-state casino owners to not pay taxes on cash betting? wouldn't most slots qualify?

not trying to argue a point - legitimately askign the question.

Slots don't give cash back. They give you tickets. Hence, there has been an exchange made so it's taxable. No cash gambling.

Here's a good article:

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/08/26/copy/MONEY.ART_ART_08-26-09_B3_01ESIBF.html?sid=101

[Disclaimer]

Here's the WV Code: http://www.legis.state.wv.us/WVCODE/Code.cfm?chap=29&art=25#25

Here's the PA Code: http://www.pgcb.state.pa.us/files/legislation/Current_Statute_Title_4.pdf

Along with an additional Bill in 2006: http://www.pgcb.state.pa.us/files/legislation/Senate_Bill_862_-_November_1_2006.pdf

Here's the MI Code: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/PA69_56070_7.pdf

Now... whoever wants to look through all this mess and create a nice spreadsheet on the differences on each state as far as license fees, taxes, % tax distribution to what 'causes', etc, etc.... be my guest. And throw the Ohio proposal on there as well.

[Casper]

http://www.columbusunderground.com/questions-answered-on-the-ohio-casino-proposal

[Casper]

Here's a good one about the tax rate: http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/09/ohios_casinos_issue_may_hinge.html

[Casper]

Here's the WV Code: http://www.legis.state.wv.us/WVCODE/Code.cfm?chap=29&art=25#25

Here's the PA Code: http://www.pgcb.state.pa.us/files/legislation/Current_Statute_Title_4.pdf

Along with an additional Bill in 2006: http://www.pgcb.state.pa.us/files/legislation/Senate_Bill_862_-_November_1_2006.pdf

Here's the MI Code: http://www.michigan.gov/documents/PA69_56070_7.pdf

Now... whoever wants to look through all this mess and create a nice spreadsheet on the differences on each state as far as license fees, taxes, % tax distribution to what 'causes', etc, etc.... be my guest. And throw the Ohio proposal on there as well.

Someone already compared PA and OH: http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=9951

[PrincessPratt]

No.

[Lost1888]

Voting yes and wanting to play some Hold em' !!!!

[Casper]

No.

Why?