Likwid Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Do not bring facts into an argument when you can't support them, that's just crazy talk. Sure that's fine for the bike but what about me; I have to be better off on the ground as soon as possible so my large surface area with its superior coefficient of friction can bring me safely to a stop.Well yah, if you know you are about to crash you should leap from the bike and roll.lol, I hate you UP :-D <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 You're only going to high-sided if you've allowed the rear wheel to step out from behind the bike though.in most situations, the rear brake provides the opposite affect, and actually keep the bike tracking straight(er).I think the 'logic' behind laying the bike down is giving yourself a choice of HOW you want to impact, once that impact is perceived as unavoidable. As someone mentioned, if you know you're not going to stop in time, you have a choice of hitting the obstacle head-on, or dumping the bike and probably hitting the object with your legs first. it's the 'baseball slide' instinct. personally, i think you're almost always better staying with the bike, unless it's a semi or something yuo can legitimately slide under without being harmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Trust me, T-boning a car head on with a bike is never a good option. They dont make gear that will protect you in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 You're only going to high-sided if you've allowed the rear wheel to step out from behind the bike though.in most situations, the rear brake provides the opposite affect, and actually keep the bike tracking straight(er).I think the 'logic' behind laying the bike down is giving yourself a choice of HOW you want to impact, once that impact is perceived as unavoidable. As someone mentioned, if you know you're not going to stop in time, you have a choice of hitting the obstacle head-on, or dumping the bike and probably hitting the object with your legs first. it's the 'baseball slide' instinct. personally, i think you're almost always better staying with the bike, unless it's a semi or something yuo can legitimately slide under without being harmed.Well the problem with what you've said is that the rear tire loses it's gyroscopic power as it's slowed down, the faster the wheels are moving the more upright the bike wants to stay, this is why you have to counter-steer.Now, just to "correct" your first sentence "You're only going to high-sided if you've allowed the rear wheel to step out from behind the bike though."2 things need to happen, 1 the tire needs to slip out... but 2 you must RESUME tire movement before the tire is back in-line. So, locking the rear wheel isn't necessarily bad, but you should NOT let go of the brake until you are stopped or 100% sure the tire is inline with your path of movement. Contrary to a front wheel lock, where you should immediately release pressure and reapply.But either way, this is all moot, if you're smart enough to know all this AND apply it in a panic situation you're golden :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreator Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) NOTHING stops faster than a controlled no skid brake.NOTHING, not locked tires, not ABS, not dumping the bike.</thread>I had the option of ABS on my current bike, but unlike my truck I can't deal with that feeling of the brake pushing back so it doesn't lock up. I was not sure if I could get used to that on a bike.Plus I would like to try them in the rain before having them on my bike. Edited November 3, 2009 by kreator Added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 NOTHING stops faster than a controlled no skid brake.NOTHING, not locked tires, not ABS, not dumping the bike.</thread>ehhh, ABS might actually stop a little faster...depending on conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Show me the facts.Article:http://www.bikeland.org/story.php?storyID=44420I'm still looking for the hard numbers online. I have a magazine article with the stopping comparisons between an advanced rider and a beginner on the same bike, but I need something electronic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSVDon Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 But either way, this is all moot, if you're smart enough to know all this AND apply it in a panic situation you're golden :-DAnd there's the big part. Are you experienced enough to realize all of this in 1 second? I know I'm sure as hell not experienced enough yet. That's where ABS comes in. Oh, btw, I don't worry about braking in gravel and snow. I ride a sportbike, not a dirtbike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdubyah Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Not so sure it's al about stopping. But taking less damage in a lowside. So only one side of the bike gets fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 (edited) Trust me, T-boning a car head on with a bike is never a good option. They dont make gear that will protect you in this situation.yes they do, it's called a helmet....one of our members (s-13) t-boned a semi, bounced off and came out of it fine... Edited November 3, 2009 by magley64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 yes they do, it's called a helmet....one of our members t-boned a semi, bounced off and came out of it fine...Im talking center mass Duane. The thorax doesnt hold up well when mashed into steel, even when wearing full gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anden Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Wait dumping a harley is the fastest way to stop. They weigh what 2-3x that of a normal bike. Plus all that junk (customization) literally digs into the asphalt. Thus stopping the bike much quicker. Or was it stops the biker quicker. By dumping the bike I got an insurance check so I could stop riding and not feel bad about it. Thus making the roads safer for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Hey, the new guy gets me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I've had to lay a bike down before. The #1 rod snapped. Half a rod with piston attached came through the block, hitting me in the leg and spewing really fucking hot oil all over my leg and the asphalt. Bike was sliding everywhere. I was going down. Had two choices, down on pavement or down in grassy ditch. I chose grassy ditch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreator Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Wait dumping a harley is the fastest way to stop. They weigh what 2-3x that of a normal bike. Plus all that junk (customization) literally digs into the asphalt. Thus stopping the bike much quicker. Or was it stops the biker quicker. By dumping the bike I got an insurance check so I could stop riding and not feel bad about it. Thus making the roads safer for everyone.My Road king is 775 pounds, what is a normal bike? A honda Shadow? At only 745cc's it's 540 pounds.. A 1300cc Honda shadow is 678 pounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 My Road king is 775 pounds, what is a normal bike? A honda Shadow? At only 745cc's it's 540 pounds.. A 1300cc Honda shadow is 678 pounds.my sumo is like 250 LBS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dweezel Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 My Road king is 775 pounds, what is a normal bike? A honda Shadow? At only 745cc's it's 540 pounds.. A 1300cc Honda shadow is 678 pounds.775?! what a hog (pun intended) a 'normal' bike aka sportbike, curbs somewhere right around 400 give or take, even my tank ass bike curbs just over 500, and it's a big som'a beioch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likwid Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 775?! what a hog (pun intended) a 'normal' bike aka sportbike, curbs somewhere right around 400 give or take, even my tank ass bike curbs just over 500, and it's a big som'a beiochlol, my Vulcan is only an 800 and she has a curb weight around 600 lbs... gotta love the vtwin cruisers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Honest question. How does a bike slow down quickly by dumping it on it's side?If your premise is that someone lays it down to make it stop faster then your understanding of why, and thus your question, is faulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shittygsxr Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 maybe a parachute is in order. If a car pulls out 200 feet ahead of you instead of dumping the bike to make it stop just pull the parachute on your back and you will glide gently to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreator Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 775?! what a hog (pun intended) a 'normal' bike aka sportbike, curbs somewhere right around 400 give or take, even my tank ass bike curbs just over 500, and it's a big som'a beiochI have had 2 Busa's, love the bike, but lets face it take off the plastics and it's like a wet cat, not a whole lot to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFM Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 If your premise is that someone lays it down to make it stop faster then your understanding of why, and thus your question, is faulty.Wasn't my question at all. Maybe I should have said, "How the hell do you flipping think that sliding a bike on it's side after slamming the rear brake is a good way to stop?":o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Wasn't my question at all. Maybe I should have said, "How the hell do you flipping think that sliding a bike on it's side after slamming the rear brake is a good way to stop?":oWell...the alternative is flipping it into a forward cartwheel by touching the front brake. Avoiding crashing by laying it down shows more control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFM Posted November 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Well...the alternative is flipping it into a forward cartwheel by touching the front brake. Avoiding crashing by laying it down shows more control. I know you don't have a working rear brake either... We're doomed to cartwheel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnR Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Just another thought. Could all of this have been started back in the days of DRUM brakes (front & rear)? Compared to current disc brakes, it might have actually been faster to dump the bike than to depend on the crappy brakes.For you young'uns, bikes didn't always have multi-piston caliper disc brakes. Drum brakes frequently sucked & when they got wet, they REALLY sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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