swingset Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/20100527/NEWS01/5270342/Woman-killed-in-Ohio-661-crashSport bike, neither wearing lids, brake-checked/swerved to miss a car turning into a driveway, wrecked. Female passenger died, rider error it looks like on this one. Happened just up my road, saw the cleanup crews after it happened.Wear your fucking lids people, especially your pillions. Don't end up like this guy carrying around someone's death for the rest of your life.Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrillo Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 who stops to turn into a drive way? Sounds like the mustang brake checked them. I honestly hope that isn't the case, but if it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonkerS Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 I doubt it. Sounds like rider error to me (i.e. following too close/fast). I wouldn't be surprised if the cager didn't signal though...tends to be a common thing, but one should be ready and aware anyway. Either way, still a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 Keep in mind that the driver of the car was a novice driver, 16 years old. They make mistakes, as did I when I was that young... I'm not sure exactly where on 661 this occurred, but there are some "peaky" hills on that road, all the way to 62. I know the road pretty well, and I don't like to ride the bike on it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted May 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 I looked today when I passed, no skid marks or signs of it...if he got on the brakes there was no slide, apparently went across the road right into the ditch.There is a slight hill crest where the driveway was, and the driver may well have been stopped, but that's still 100% rider error - if you're going so fast or following so close as to let this happen, you've fucked up...and the same goes for blind hills, if you're getting into a blind road with too much engine to negate the 2 second rule, you're gambling. I was going slow through there but even in the cage I had fairly good forward vision I think a stopped car would have been visible with time to stop or miss it. I'm guessing the rider was either into it too fast or wasn't paying attention.Don't know any details of the kid driving either, could have just been really slow turning in, stopped, who knows.Anyway, sad for everyone involved.jporter, it's about 1 mile north of Granville in the 2500 section, black mailbox on the west side was the driveway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutch Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 this guys dad works with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted May 27, 2010 Report Share Posted May 27, 2010 RIP to the passenger, hope the guys pulls through okay. Hopefully the investigations shows what really happened- biker or cager error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted May 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 RIP to the passenger, hope the guys pulls through okay. Hopefully the investigations shows what really happened- biker or cager error.Even if she was stopped dead in the road, that's not an at-fault situation. About all she could have done wrong is back up, or go into the wrong lane to turn as he went right to avoid her. Can't say stopping in the road is wise, but it's still up to following traffic to keep assured clear distance or stop before stopped traffic.I do think it's weird there was no skid mark, debris slide or anything. Makes me wonder if he veered right to miss her and didn't correct or target-fixated on the ditch and went in. That I could see happening very easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Even if she was stopped dead in the road, that's not an at-fault situation. About all she could have done wrong is back up, or go into the wrong lane to turn as he went right to avoid her. Can't say stopping in the road is wise, but it's still up to following traffic to keep assured clear distance or stop before stopped traffic.I do think it's weird there was no skid mark, debris slide or anything. Makes me wonder if he veered right to miss her and didn't correct or target-fixated on the ditch and went in. That I could see happening very easily.I didn't think of the target fixation... Veering to the right, seeing the ditch at your side, panic and rid straight into it... Man, that is scary. I have proven the target fixation to myself several times. Pick a line in the road that is still safe, but get it in your mind that you don't want to go there. Watch this spot as you try to avoid it and see what happens. Even if prepared for it, you will go toward it. It takes some serious concentration to avoid the forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 this guys dad works with me Tell Kent I'm thinking of him and he can call if he needs anything. He should have my number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted May 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 I didn't think of the target fixation... Veering to the right, seeing the ditch at your side, panic and rid straight into it... Man, that is scary. I have proven the target fixation to myself several times. Pick a line in the road that is still safe, but get it in your mind that you don't want to go there. Watch this spot as you try to avoid it and see what happens. Even if prepared for it, you will go toward it. It takes some serious concentration to avoid the forces.Oh for sure, one thing I like about riding dirt and trails is it forces you to overcome target fixation....or else your offroad riding comes to a predictable and quick end. You have to choose lines every inch of the way, but after a while it gets to be subconcious. At first you're like "Oh look, that big rock up there, I should avoid that....there's that rock....rock...rock...OH SHIT I HIT THAT FUCKING ROCK!!".The problem with street riding is you can get away with it for so long, but a bad situation can bring out bad instincts right now. I suggest to new riders to ride dirt for a while before getting on the street, it teaches you so many things, and it's fun as hell and hurts a lot less. Sadly, not many people do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Never really thought about off road riding like that. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted May 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Read in the article's comments from an eyewitness that the girl was in the right hand lane waiting on oncoming traffic to turn into the driveway, the bike came over the hill and he braked and went into the ditch on the right. Definitely not the girl in the car's fault.I really didn't think visibility at that driveway from the direction the bike was coming looked bad, but I also don't know the bike's speed or other details to do anything but guess at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxie750 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 RIP! Gear or no gear this is sad. It could happen to anyone thats not 100% focused. Sad day for sure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 At this point there is no who was right or wrong. Sadly no lids and possible high speeds cost a life. Just pray for there families and yours as well that we may never have to see this sitiuation at home!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 At this point there is no who was right or wrong. Sadly no lids and possible high speeds cost a life. Just pray for there families and yours as well that we may never have to see this sitiuation at home!!Correct. No right or worng, nothing is going to bring back a lost life.However, I like to take an awful occurance such as this to bring a positive, and hope that someone learns something, whether it be to ATGATT, or someone is more aware the next time they ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted May 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 However, I like to take an awful occurance such as this to bring a positive, and hope that someone learns something, whether it be to ATGATT, or someone is more aware the next time they ride.This. If you chalk everything up to shit happens, it's denying that better skills or behavior could prevent this kind of thing. I care about my fellow riders, if someone gets shook into thinking or acting differently by looking at an accident or scenario, then it's worth talking about.Doesn't mean you don't have compassion for those affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 This. If you chalk everything up to shit happens, it's denying that better skills or behavior could prevent this kind of thing. I care about my fellow riders, if someone gets shook into thinking or acting differently by looking at an accident or scenario, then it's worth talking about.Doesn't mean you don't have compassion for those affected.Unfortunately, posting in the comments section of the link in the OP, people don't see it this way!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swingset Posted May 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 Unfortunately, posting in the comments section of the link in the OP, people don't see it this way!!!I'm fascinated that when people know the deceased or affected, they're inclined to read the comments section and get offended at anyone's second guessing or anything they deem offensive to their loved ones or friends.When I lost a friend a couple years ago to an accident, it didn't even occur to me to go read the article about him and bristle at everything. I had better stuff to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted May 28, 2010 Report Share Posted May 28, 2010 I'm fascinated that when people know the deceased or affected, they're inclined to read the comments section and get offended at anyone's second guessing or anything they deem offensive to their loved ones or friends.When I lost a friend a couple years ago to an accident, it didn't even occur to me to go read the article about him and bristle at everything. I had better stuff to do.Just look at the title of the newspaper, just the first part, actually... Newark. That is all...(I am from there, and even I can see the light!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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