flounder Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) distance of penetration of course. its fucking a skinnier bullet and higher velocity. btw sheetrock and humans and ballistic gelatin are all different. compare apples to apples. now...the .45 will destroy more internals, cause its a bigger round. if were hunting , sure we want complete penetration. not the case with self defense. stopping power is the energy tranfered from the bullet which results in bullet damage. bullet damage is what fucks you or an animal up.funny you base your thoughts and opniions from the ole box of sheetrock. get seriousThanks again for proving my point of your ass doing more talking then your brain. Box o truth was just one example to help you but there are plenty of ballistic gelatin tests out their to show the wound cavities created by different rounds. Enjoy whatever hand-cannon you choose purchase Mr. Gun Guru. Should you choose to actually educate yourself, I suggest you visit here to see the differences in penetration distance as well as wound cavity size. Energy isnt the deciding factor in damage. http://www.brassfetcher.com/ Edited September 1, 2010 by flounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 shot placement yes. type of round ,no. 9mm with the black talons wont do as much damage as a fmj fitty cal..50 caliber? Really? That isn't even relevant or realistic. A 120mm round from an M1A1 MBT will do more damage than a 50 cal. Isn't relevant though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-bus Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Buy something that you will carry. For carry, it's my 642 in .38 Special+P or my PPK .380 because they are comfortable as hell and will stop an attack. For home defense, it's my Sig 229 9mm because it happens to live in the Gun Vault next to my bed. For Zombies, it's the 1911 in .45 ACP because I shoot it the best and it transfers more energy. I tend to stay away from these conversations simply because we are dealing mostly with opinions. Is a .45 more powerful than a 9mm? Yes, it is. Is a 9mm ineffective as a defensive/offensive weapon? My opinion is that it will do the job and the ammo is far less expensive leading to more practice, leading to better shot placement. Is a .38 or .380 ineffective? Don't know. I've never shot anything with a heartbeat with those rounds. I'd sure as shit rather have my .38 in my waistband than my .45 in my safe though.To the OP... Glock- I've owned a 17 and a 26. Both very accurate, very reliable, but were not comfortable in my hand. XD- I've owned a compact XD-40... very accurate, very reliable, more comfortable than the Glock, but I didn't like the trigger. PX-4... no experience with it, but I've read good things. M&P... no experience with it, decent reviews. My all-time favorite sub-compact 9mm was my S&W CS-9. I sold mine and they don't make them any longer. Too bad, it was perfect.Flame on with the pecker-measuring, but just carry something. The good-guys need more firepower out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 50 caliber? Really? That isn't even relevant or realistic. A 120mm round from an M1A1 MBT will do more damage than a 50 cal. Isn't relevant though.It's a hand gun s&w .50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 It's a hand gun s&w .50yeah, but who the hell carries one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Thanks again for proving my point of your ass doing more talking then your brain. Box o truth was just one example to help you but there are plenty of ballistic gelatin tests out their to show the wound cavities created by different rounds. Enjoy whatever hand-cannon you choose purchase Mr. Gun Guru. Should you choose to actually educate yourself, I suggest you visit here to see the differences in penetration distance as well as wound cavity size. Energy isnt the deciding factor in damage. http://www.brassfetcher.com/You have nothing to say but "look at what this guy says" on his site. You have no idea WTF you are talking about. Energy isn't end all deciding factor, but is a huge factor. Box o truth here thinks you read tonmuch and have little hands on expierence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 yeah, but who the hell carries one?that dude when he feels the need too openly. Peoples reaction is priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 that dude when he feels the need too openly. Peoples reaction is priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 that dude when he feels the need too openly. Peoples reaction is pricelessI call I want to see pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Call whatever you want. Let's get back on topic for the guy. I recommend a .45 subcompact g-lock or xd. Ever think aboutba wheel gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meanie Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Damn wasn't at my PC and missed the argument....Oh well Lets just go with "that dude" is basing his opinion on personal preference, and a head so thick his .50 round wouldn't come close to penetrating.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Damn wasn't at my PC and missed the argument....Oh well Lets just go with "that dude" is basing his opinion on personal preference, and a head so thick his .50 round wouldn't come close to penetrating....Neither of you yards have proved a point. I know you feel like an ass ...wait a few of you are talking outta your ass. I know I'm correct. Get the mic outta your mouth or speak up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgetTodd Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Raven .25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted September 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 and by saying I wasn't opposed to looking at .45's I thought I would avoid starting any argumentsas far as a wheel gun, not really considering them. They are ok but for some reason I am way more accurate with a pistol vs a revolver. I know its just user error but the comfort factor is what makes me stray away as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 If ignorance is bliss then that dude must be the happiest dipshit on the planet. Nuff said. Im out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 If ignorance is bliss then that dude must be the happiest dipshit on the planet. Nuff said. Im out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 :cry:Hey look. Happy is back. Are you sad? Do you want a treat? Sit, Shake,, Good boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 Hey look. Happy is back. Are you sad? Do you want a treat? Sit, Shake,, Good boy.i knew you couldnt leave...and the bait is gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted September 1, 2010 Report Share Posted September 1, 2010 So bad when we gonna go shoot? Fin has ok prices, they are $30 higher then vances(or nces as my dumb ass typed) There is a small shop in canton that is where I got my xd9sc kit from paid $469 out the door for it at a medina show. The kit comes with a mag holder, a plastic belt holster, thumb loader for mags, the gun and two mags in a nice size case. The essentials kit comes with the gun and mag(don't know 1 or 2) $399 for essentials at vances $429 for the kit. $459 at fin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted September 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 So bad when we gonna go shoot? Fin has ok prices, they are $30 higher then vances(or nces as my dumb ass typed) There is a small shop in canton that is where I got my xd9sc kit from paid $469 out the door for it at a medina show. The kit comes with a mag holder, a plastic belt holster, thumb loader for mags, the gun and two mags in a nice size case. The essentials kit comes with the gun and mag(don't know 1 or 2) $399 for essentials at vances $429 for the kit. $459 at fin.gonna have to wait until after this weekend, I am crazy busy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedytriple Posted September 2, 2010 Report Share Posted September 2, 2010 Yeah next week some time I have to work sat till midnight and sunday/monday are crazy for me also. I am back on days next week we could do it some time then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax33 Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 There is nothing wrong with the 9mm since it's been around for over 100 years and still going strong. I would not want to be hit with a 9mm JHP traveling at 1300fps, plus more often than not, a hostile situation might end once the gun is displayed, making the caliber a moot point. Still, I would not carry anything smaller than a .38 on the streets. My newest purchase is the PX4 Storm sub, a reliable weapon as well as being good eye-candy. Shoot them all and then decide... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper_308 Posted September 4, 2010 Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 CPD, has been killing them for years with a 9mm. It works :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 Cle is a fuckin joke bro. 5.0included Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that dude Posted September 5, 2010 Report Share Posted September 5, 2010 45 will kill em quicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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