speedytriple Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I can tear the center out with irons at 30 feet figure with a dot sight or maybe lowpower optics might be good for out to 50-75 feet and they are tons of fun to shoot cheap. Don't know if stonewall allows 17 never checked but I am using the state range this year anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walther_gsp Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 Varmint? 22-250 lol... whack...The rifle you're looking at has potential to be extremely accurate.Don't forget that rounds smaller than 30cal don't handle cross winds very well.But I have no experience with the 17HMR.Honestly I like a tight 22LR for most little varmints, it's more of a challenge.edit: note that you will have to have a scope, there are no sights on that one, only mounts.Favorite varmint scope: Tasco VAR624X42M 6-24x42It's negative is the mil-dot, which is for mil-spec ammo and war targets, not game.ok, same thing with plain dot Tasco 6-24x442 Things. 1) The statement about rounds smaller than 30 cal not doing well in the wind is not accurate. Without a long, in depth discussion of ballistics, just leave it that bullet selection/velocity are important in any cartridge. As an example, 260's typically beat 308s on wind even at extended distances.2) Mil-dots aren't for mil-spec ammo and war targets. Historically, they were used for ranging targets. Scopes with Mil dots, mil hash marks, moa hash marks, etc... can be quite useful for hunting, if you know the ballistics of your cartridge. The scope on my 308 has mil and half mil hash marks. Using those, I can use those for exact hold over values out past 500 yards without have to adjust my elevation, pretty handy for hunting if you ask me. Nevermind the fact that many "hunting" scopes have reticles with features used for range estimation.If anything, the downside to Mildots is it is sometimes harder for folks to pick up math wise vs MOA/minutes, and outside of newer tactical scopes, the reticle was often in mils/mildots and the scope adjustments were in minutes, causing conversion headaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 2 Things. 1) The statement about rounds smaller than 30 cal not doing well in the wind is not accurate. Without a long, in depth discussion of ballistics, just leave it that bullet selection/velocity are important in any cartridge. As an example, 260's typically beat 308s on wind even at extended distances.2) Mil-dots aren't for mil-spec ammo and war targets. Historically, they were used for ranging targets. Scopes with Mil dots, mil hash marks, moa hash marks, etc... can be quite useful for hunting, if you know the ballistics of your cartridge. The scope on my 308 has mil and half mil hash marks. Using those, I can use those for exact hold over values out past 500 yards without have to adjust my elevation, pretty handy for hunting if you ask me. Nevermind the fact that many "hunting" scopes have reticles with features used for range estimation.If anything, the downside to Mildots is it is sometimes harder for folks to pick up math wise vs MOA/minutes, and outside of newer tactical scopes, the reticle was often in mils/mildots and the scope adjustments were in minutes, causing conversion headaches.I hate to agree with this d-bag but ... hes on par for once.. As far as tasco goes, Spend a few more bucks and get a Vortex and a much much better scope. Just my opinion.Did I mention Walther is a d-bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jporter12 Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I think I heard somewhere that flounder thinks walther is a d-bag. Maybe I heard wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I recommend this scopehttp://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-crossfire-6-24x50-ao-riflescope-mil-dot-illuminated-reticleWay over kill for a 22 or 17 but just right for a 223 and up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I recommend this scopehttp://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-crossfire-6-24x50-ao-riflescope-mil-dot-illuminated-reticleWay over kill for a 22 or 17 but just right for a 223 and up Thats not overkill for a 22. Thats a good all around plinking scope. I know guys that are running NF, USO, S&B and Premier's on their 22.s. These scopes range in price from $1700-$3000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 awesome! probably the one i saw - i was at gander sunday morning and saw it ...let me know how ya like it.Awesome gun!! shot yesterday in the cold and probably 20mph winds and at 100yrds was litterally touching holes dead center of target... Very fun gun but am interested to see what kind of damage this will do for the holes in my plywood target were very small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted March 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 would .22wmr be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) BUMP - buying one on sunday but im not sure which...it comes in .17hmr, .22wmr, and .22lri know the lr is dirt cheap - but i want something with more take down...im reading that the .17hmr doesnt have much take down power because it just blows right through stuff, but that the .22wmr is a slow round for the price, etcright now - im leaning towards .22wmr the biggest thing that would ever get shot with it is a fox or a coyote ....but probably be used more for rabbits, squirrel, etci think .223 would be overkill - and this specific model isnt offered in .223 and im 99% set on this model riflebut the extra velocity of the 17hmr would be nice since the idea for varmint would be head shots anyways to not ruin the meatmy girl has coyote problems bad out at her place....i want a round that will take care of them, but not fuck up varmint hunting....im torn between the .17 for the velocity and the .22wmr for the knockdown power.... i really dont want .22lr though - i dont shoot enough for the ammo prices to bother me that much Edited March 2, 2011 by Steve Butters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) and would a cheap scope be alright?like this onehttp://www.vanceoutdoors.com/products2.cfm/ID/92451/name/barska-colorado-3-9x40-matte Edited March 2, 2011 by Steve Butters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 If you aren't shooting for money.... sure lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 and would a cheap scope be alright?like this onehttp://www.vanceoutdoors.com/products2.cfm/ID/92451/name/barska-colorado-3-9x40-matteFor a .22 for what your using it for, it will probably be fine as long as your not expecting much from the scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 hmmm...this may be my nexthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPliHk1sLkw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 i think MT just ordered one of those!cant wait to see it sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 For a .22 for what your using it for, it will probably be fine as long as your not expecting much from the scope.cool...i just want something to plink around and shoot some small animals with...dont need to hit a penny from 200 yards or anythingyou seem to know a lot about this stuff....any advice on .22wmr or .17hmr for what ive described my uses? mainly plinking with a little coyote hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Personally i would go with the 17HMR... Seems like the .22 starts to tumble after 70yrds where as the 17 seems to hold pretty true out to 200 but just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 would the .17 take down a coyote? and i was reading that .22wmr is good to like 150yds and .17hmr is good for 200...and that .22lr was 100 yardsso i assumed the .22wmr wouldnt have a problem at less than 150yards - but i havent shot one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beegreenstrings Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 would the .17 take down a coyote? and i was reading that .22wmr is good to like 150yds and .17hmr is good for 200...and that .22lr was 100 yardsso i assumed the .22wmr wouldnt have a problem at less than 150yards - but i havent shot one Smoked a hole right through one at a 160yds. Dropped on the spot stiff!.17 is a nasty little burger small projectile with lots of velocity equals fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Smoked a hole right through one at a 160yds. Dropped on the spot stiff!.17 is a nasty little burger small projectile with lots of velocity equals fun!you have that .22wmr for sale ....i take it this means you prefer the .17? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beegreenstrings Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 22WMR sold last night along with my M&P15T.Yes I like the .17 better.If Hornady would push the limits of the Vmax WMR round they would be very close and the WMR would win me over for having a heavier bullet. But for the screaming little .17 it does a much better job, for the time being.My dad has a 17 Remington Fireball. But it is a different animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowdog Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Pretty sure it would not have any problems with a coyote... the target i was shooting at was on a 8" round fence post used to mark off a pasture and the 17 round blew through the post with ease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevysoldier Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Just get a 50 cal and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walther_gsp Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 The .17hmr is a fine small varmint cartridge, assuming you are under 200y, it should take down a coyote. Also, SWFA has a special version of the scope Kawi and flounder mentioned with a 1" tube vs the 30mm (basically means less overall elevation adjustment) for $99. It's a special run that Vortex does for them. If you needed more elevation to hit the max range of the 17hmr (not likely, but possible), you can get 20moa angled bases for a lot of the popular rimfires these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walther_gsp Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Also, I have in my possession, a 30mm vortex crossfire that I'll let go to the highest bidder. A certain mod may or may not try to hunt you down to get it back though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Also, I have in my possession, a 30mm vortex crossfire that I'll let go to the highest bidder. A certain mod may or may not try to hunt you down to get it back though.I already warned him that it would be painted pink when he got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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